Re: I finally trashed my 14 year old Pentium II computer--it ran Windows 2000 fine, but never could run Linux much at all

From	"Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchmail.com>
Newsgroups	comp.os.linux.advocacy, comp.os.linux.setup, alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt
Subject	Re: I finally trashed my 14 year old Pentium II computer--it ran Windows 2000 fine, but never could run Linux much at all
Date	2011-06-21 12:18 -0400
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"David Brown" <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> wrote in message 
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> On 21/06/2011 14:33, RayLopez99 wrote:
>> On Jun 21, 6:44 am, The Natural Philosopher<t...@invalid.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I was actually learning something from you post then I noticed it was
>> from you.  So it must be wrong.
>>
>> But if what you say is true there must be some data conversion of data
>> from Linux format to Windows format--I think Linux uses a different
>> file format entirely.  Not Big Endian either, which is at the byte
>> level, but at the hard drive level.
>>
>
> I'm not convinced you are capable of boiling an egg, never mind figuring 
> out which way up it should go.
>
>
> I believe the issue that you are confused about is line-endings in text 
> files.  Unix has always used LF (character 10) as a line ending, while 
> Macs have always used CR (character 13).  DOS, for some incomprehensible 
> reason, used two characters - CR + LF.  This absurdity has continued, and 
> is the "standard" in Windows.
>

This "absurdity" is also the standard line ending for DEC TOPS-10, RT-11, 
CP/M, MP/M, DOS, Atari TOS, OS/2, Microsoft Windows, Symbian OS and Palm OS. 
Not to mention that CR+LF is also the standard delimiter for *most* internet 
protocols including mail, NNTP, HTTP, etc, etc.


> However, any decent program (on Linux, Macs or Windows) that deals with 
> text files will happily work with files with any choice of line endings, 
> or at least convert them when reading in a file.  Of course, notepad on 
> Windows does not count as "decent".

Most text editors handle it just fine. Notepad isn't really a text editor. 
It's a Windows 'edit control' that's placed into a window with a menu.

>
> The line endings used by convention for text files is irrelevant for 
> non-text files, which are identical on all systems.
>
>
> And of course this has nothing to do with storing files from a Windows 
> system on a Linux filesystem, either via the VirtualBox mapped drive 
> described here, or using a samba file server under Linux.  There you are 
> talking about a windows program storing files on a Linux filesystem - of 
> course Linux will return exactly the same bytes when the file is read as 
> it got when the file was written.  It wouldn't matter if it stored the 
> file in hieroglyphics on a stone tablet, as long as the data returned is 
> the same as the data received.

What you basically said. You will read out exactly what was written into the 
file. Nothing more, nothing less.

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I finally trashed my 14 year old Pentium II computer--it ran Windows 2000 fine, but never could run Linux much at all RayLopez99 <raylopez88@gmail.com> - 2011-06-15 16:16 -0700
  Re: I finally trashed my 14 year old Pentium II computer--it ran Windows 2000 fine, but never could run Linux much at all RayLopez99 <raylopez88@gmail.com> - 2011-06-15 16:19 -0700
    Re: I finally trashed my 14 year old Pentium II computer--it ran Windows 2000 fine, but never could run Linux much at all Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2011-06-16 01:23 +0200
      Re: I finally trashed my 14 year old Pentium II computer--it ran Windows 2000 fine, but never could run Linux much at all Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2011-06-15 16:29 -0700
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        Re: Scumbag WinTroll lies about Linux (was: Pentium II) RayLopez99 <raylopez88@gmail.com> - 2011-06-16 00:09 -0700
        Re: Scumbag WinTroll lies about Linux David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> - 2011-06-16 09:39 +0200
          Re: Scumbag WinTroll lies about Linux JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2011-06-16 09:52 -0500
            Re: Scumbag WinTroll lies about Linux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2011-06-16 16:18 +0100
          Re: Scumbag WinTroll lies about Linux Marti Van Lin <ml2mst@dontevenbother.invalid> - 2011-06-16 20:59 +0200
            Re: Scumbag WinTroll lies about Linux JeffM <jeffm_@email.com> - 2011-06-16 14:53 -0700
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                Re: Scumbag WinTroll lies about Linux JeffM <jeffm_@email.com> - 2011-06-16 22:25 -0700
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            Re: Scumbag WinTroll didn't do his Linux homework William Poaster <wp@induh-vidual.net> - 2011-06-16 23:22 +0100
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              Re: Scumbag WinTroll didn't do his Linux homework The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2011-06-16 23:53 +0100
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      Re: I finally trashed my 14 year old Pentium II computer--it ran Windows 2000 fine, but never could run Linux much at all Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2011-06-15 17:48 -0700
        Re: I finally trashed my 14 year old Pentium II computer--it ran Windows 2000 fine, but never could run Linux much at all TomB <tommy.bongaerts@gmail.com> - 2011-06-16 19:12 +0200
      Re: I finally trashed my 14 year old Pentium II computer--it ran Windows 2000 fine, but never could run Linux much at all RayLopez99 <raylopez88@gmail.com> - 2011-06-16 01:54 -0700
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  Re: I finally trashed my 14 year old Pentium II computer--it ran Windows 2000 fine, but never could run Linux much at all Chris <chrisdhaag@googlemail.com> - 2011-06-15 23:38 +0000
    WinTroll throws away perfectly good computer that will run Linux (was: Pentium II) JeffM <jeffm_@email.com> - 2011-06-15 17:56 -0700
      Re: WinTroll throws away perfectly good computer that will run Linux (was: Pentium II) chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2011-06-16 07:11 -0500
        Re: WinTroll throws away perfectly good computer that will run Linux (was: Pentium II) Bjørn Steensrud <bjornst+usenet@skogkatt.homelinux.org> - 2011-06-17 11:43 +0200
          Re: WinTroll throws away perfectly good computer that will run Linux (was: Pentium II) Chris <chrisdhaag@googlemail.com> - 2011-06-17 10:52 +0000
            Re: WinTroll throws away perfectly good computer that will run Linux (was: Pentium II) JeffM <jeffm_@email.com> - 2011-06-17 12:07 -0700
              Re: WinTroll throws away perfectly good computer that will run Linux flatfish+++ <flatfish@marianatrench.com> - 2011-06-17 15:17 -0400
                Re: WinTroll throws away perfectly good computer that will run Linux Chris <chrisdhaag@googlemail.com> - 2011-06-17 20:40 +0000
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    Re: I finally trashed my 14 year old Pentium II computer--it ran Windows 2000 fine, but never could run Linux much at all RayLopez99 <raylopez88@gmail.com> - 2011-06-16 00:08 -0700
  Re: I finally trashed my 14 year old Pentium II computer--it ran Windows 2000 fine, but never could run Linux much at all Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2011-06-18 06:16 -0700
    Re: I finally trashed my 14 year old Pentium II computer--it ran Windows 2000 fine, but never could run Linux much at all RayLopez99 <raylopez88@gmail.com> - 2011-06-18 09:37 -0700
      Re: I finally trashed my 14 year old Pentium II computer--it ran Windows 2000 fine, but never could run Linux much at all Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2011-06-18 10:08 -0700
        Re: I finally trashed my 14 year old Pentium II computer--it ran Windows 2000 fine, but never could run Linux much at all RayLopez99 <raylopez88@gmail.com> - 2011-06-18 13:25 -0700
          Re: I finally trashed my 14 year old Pentium II computer--it ran Windows 2000 fine, but never could run Linux much at all Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2011-06-18 14:02 -0700
            Re: I finally trashed my 14 year old Pentium II computer--it ran Windows 2000 fine, but never could run Linux much at all RayLopez99 <raylopez88@gmail.com> - 2011-06-18 16:19 -0700
              Re: I finally trashed my 14 year old Pentium II computer--it ran Windows 2000 fine, but never could run Linux much at all ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) - 2011-06-20 15:20 -0500
                Re: I finally trashed my 14 year old Pentium II computer--it ran Windows 2000 fine, but never could run Linux much at all RayLopez99 <raylopez88@gmail.com> - 2011-06-20 14:55 -0700
                Re: I finally trashed my 14 year old Pentium II computer--it ran Windows 2000 fine, but never could run Linux much at all The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2011-06-21 04:44 +0100
                Re: I finally trashed my 14 year old Pentium II computer--it ran Windows 2000 fine, but never could run Linux much at all RayLopez99 <raylopez88@gmail.com> - 2011-06-21 05:33 -0700
                Re: I finally trashed my 14 year old Pentium II computer--it ran Windows 2000 fine, but never could run Linux much at all David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> - 2011-06-21 16:07 +0200
                Re: I finally trashed my 14 year old Pentium II computer--it ran Windows 2000 fine, but never could run Linux much at all RayLopez99 <raylopez88@gmail.com> - 2011-06-21 09:08 -0700
                Re: I finally trashed my 14 year old Pentium II computer--it ran Windows 2000 fine, but never could run Linux much at all The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2011-06-21 17:29 +0100
                Re: I finally trashed my 14 year old Pentium II computer--it ran Windows 2000 fine, but never could run Linux much at all David Brown <david.brown@removethis.hesbynett.no> - 2011-06-21 20:59 +0200
                Re: I finally trashed my 14 year old Pentium II computer--it ran Windows 2000 fine, but never could run Linux much at all RayLopez99 <raylopez88@gmail.com> - 2011-06-21 13:03 -0700
                Re: I finally trashed my 14 year old Pentium II computer--it ran Windows 2000 fine, but never could run Linux much at all David Brown <david.brown@removethis.hesbynett.no> - 2011-06-21 22:33 +0200
                Re: I finally trashed my 14 year old Pentium II computer--it ran Windows 2000 fine, but never could run Linux much at all RayLopez99 <raylopez88@gmail.com> - 2011-06-21 15:30 -0700
                Re: I finally trashed my 14 year old Pentium II computer--it ran Windows 2000 fine, but never could run Linux much at all David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> - 2011-06-22 10:45 +0200
                Is Ray Lopez too stupid to even run Windows? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2011-06-22 10:28 +0100
                Re: I finally trashed my 14 year old Pentium II computer--it ran Windows 2000 fine, but never could run Linux much at all RayLopez99 <raylopez88@gmail.com> - 2011-06-22 03:14 -0700
                Re: I finally trashed my 14 year old Pentium II computer--it ran Windows 2000 fine, but never could run Linux much at all David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> - 2011-06-22 12:51 +0200
                Re: I finally trashed my 14 year old Pentium II computer--it ran Windows 2000 fine, but never could run Linux much at all RayLopez99 <raylopez88@gmail.com> - 2011-06-22 05:24 -0700
                Re: I finally trashed my 14 year old Pentium II computer--it ran Windows 2000 fine, but never could run Linux much at all David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> - 2011-06-22 16:16 +0200
                Re: I finally trashed my 14 year old Pentium II computer--it ran Windows 2000 fine, but never could run Linux much at all The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2011-06-21 22:35 +0100
                Re: I finally trashed my 14 year old Pentium II computer--it ran Windows 2000 fine, but never could run Linux much at all "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchmail.com> - 2011-06-21 12:18 -0400
                Re: I finally trashed my 14 year old Pentium II computer--it ran Windows 2000 fine, but never could run Linux much at all David Brown <david.brown@removethis.hesbynett.no> - 2011-06-21 21:06 +0200
                Re: I finally trashed my 14 year old Pentium II computer--it ran Windows 2000 fine, but never could run Linux much at all Hadron<hadronquark@gmail.com> - 2011-06-22 12:04 +0200
                Re: I finally trashed my 14 year old Pentium II computer--it ran Windows 2000 fine, but never could run Linux much at all David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> - 2011-06-22 13:01 +0200
                Re: I finally trashed my 14 year old Pentium II computer--it ran Windows 2000 fine, but never could run Linux much at all The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2011-06-21 17:28 +0100
            Re: I finally trashed my 14 year old Pentium II computer--it ran Windows 2000 fine, but never could run Linux much at all RayLopez99 <raylopez88@gmail.com> - 2011-06-18 16:40 -0700
              Re: I finally trashed my 14 year old Pentium II computer--it ran Windows 2000 fine, but never could run Linux much at all ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) - 2011-06-20 15:20 -0500
    Re: I finally trashed my 14 year old Pentium II computer--it ran Windows 2000 fine, but never could run Linux much at all JeffM <jeffm_@email.com> - 2011-06-18 14:11 -0700
      Re: I finally trashed my 14 year old Pentium II computer--it ran Windows 2000 fine, but never could run Linux much at all RayLopez99 <raylopez88@gmail.com> - 2011-06-18 16:16 -0700

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