Re: Linux Crashing

From	rbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Newsgroups	comp.os.linux.setup, comp.os.linux.advocacy, sci.physics
Subject	Re: Linux Crashing
Date	2021-10-02 12:46 -0600
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On 10/02/2021 02:42 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> Actually it is not unusual to find blocks of code that simply do
> nothing, or are never ever executed and CAN never ever be executed.

I've seen comments in our source like  /* should never get here */ . 
Makes me wonder why the programmer thought it might.

> Many coders and maintainers under pressure simply hack it till it passes
> tests, and that may include adjusting conditionals blindly, until it
> works.. Leaving conditionals that are either always satisfied or never
> satisfied.

IDE's have gotten a lot better with little flags that say 'you know 
that's always going to evaluate to true, don't you?'

> And again priogrammers working to a spec mindful of their ps and qs may
> introduce error handling code to handle errors than simply cannot
> happen, because the data being passed to them has already been validated.
> The classic case being error handling designed to prevent buffer
> overflow on long strings, when the strings have already been checked for
> length by freds code in the input validation section

Some of our code is over 20 years old, which inspires a bit of paranoid 
thinking. It doesn't help that the UI is Motif with callbacks that 
assume some nugget of information was stuffed into the UserData of a 
passing widget.

It was an interesting time when our customer base migrated from RS6000 
to Windows. Binaries generated by the AIX C compiler were extremely 
forgiving about NULL values and went on with life. Microsoft had no 
patience whatsoever. You learned that calloc() doesn't always come back 
with an usable pointer and so forth.  I think AIX linked 0x0000 to a bit 
bucket where you could stick anything.

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                Re: I did _not_ believe she'd do it. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2021-10-03 10:14 -0500
                Re: People like me, who work 30 years on a job, aren't cheating. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-03 13:33 -0500
                The loans-to-deposits ratio is insane, nothing a banker would want. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2021-10-03 11:56 -0700
                Re: People like me, who work 30 years on a job, aren't cheating. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-03 19:55 -0600
                Re: "Permies" aren't script kiddies. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-10-02 17:09 +0000
                Re: "Permies" aren't script kiddies. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-02 11:35 -0600
                My work got done joyously. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2021-10-02 11:28 -0700
                Re: My work got done joyously. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-03 01:31 +0000
                Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-01 20:44 -0600
                Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-10-02 09:50 +0100
                Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-02 12:55 -0600
                Recursion makes good algorithms & bad implementations. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2021-10-02 12:15 -0700
                Re: Recursion makes good algorithms & bad implementations. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-03 01:33 +0000
                Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-02 17:35 -0500
                Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-02 22:08 -0600
                Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-03 00:12 -0500
                Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-10-03 11:47 +0100
                Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-03 11:49 -0600
                Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-03 20:02 -0500
                Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-03 19:47 -0600
                Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-03 23:50 -0500
                Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-04 07:54 -0600
                Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-04 00:08 -0500
                Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-04 05:12 +0000
                Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-04 01:51 -0500
                Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-04 06:56 +0000
                Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-04 13:28 -0500
                Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-04 20:18 +0000
                Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-04 07:59 -0600
                Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-04 13:15 -0500
                Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-01 20:37 -0600
                Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-02 18:58 -0500
                Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-09-30 18:26 +0000
                Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-09-30 20:57 -0600
                Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-10-01 17:43 +0000
                Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-01 18:19 +0000
                Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-10-01 19:22 +0100
                Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-01 18:37 +0000
                Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-01 20:16 -0600
                Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-10-02 09:44 +0100
                Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-10-02 17:09 +0000
                Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-02 12:49 -0600
                Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-09-30 09:38 -0500
                10 instances of my "C/C++ console" running simultaneously. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2021-09-30 07:51 -0700
                Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-09-30 10:08 -0500
                Thunderbird can be made to run "right" ( however you want it ). Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2021-09-30 08:03 -0700
                Re: Thunderbird can be made to run "right" ( however you want it ). Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-09-30 10:14 -0500
                4Re: 1I 5think 2in 5FORTH 1& 7progr 2in 6C/C++ Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2021-09-30 08:12 -0700
                Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-09-30 18:25 +0000
                FORTH, C & C++, in that order, have advantages. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2021-09-30 16:16 -0700
                Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-09-30 21:18 -0600
                Re: Linux Crashing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-09-29 08:07 -0600
                Re: Linux Crashing The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-29 15:26 +0100
                Re: Linux Crashing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-09-29 19:59 -0600
                Re: Linux Crashing The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-30 12:04 +0100
                Re: Linux Crashing chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2021-09-29 10:57 -0500
                Re: Linux Crashing Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-09-29 12:01 -0500
                Re: Linux Crashing The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-29 20:04 +0100
                Re: Linux Crashing Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-09-29 15:03 -0500
                Re: Linux Crashing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-09-29 20:48 -0600
                Re: Linux Crashing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-09-29 20:39 -0600
                Re: Linux Crashing chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2021-09-29 14:11 -0500
                Re: Linux Crashing The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-29 20:29 +0100
                Re: Linux Crashing chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2021-09-29 17:56 -0500
                Re: Linux Crashing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-09-29 21:00 -0600
                Re: Linux Crashing The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-30 12:03 +0100
                Re: Linux Crashing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-09-30 08:06 -0600
                Re: Linux Crashing The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-30 20:23 +0100
                Re: Linux Crashing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-09-30 20:11 -0600
                Re: Linux Crashing Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-10-01 17:43 +0000
                Re: Linux Crashing Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-01 18:21 +0000
                Re: Linux Crashing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-01 20:13 -0600
                Re: Linux Crashing The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-10-02 09:42 +0100
                Re: Linux Crashing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-02 12:46 -0600
                while(1) Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2021-10-02 11:56 -0700
                Re: Linux Crashing Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-10-02 17:09 +0000
                Re: Linux Crashing Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2021-10-02 14:51 -0400
                Re: Linux Crashing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-02 21:22 -0600
                Re: Linux Crashing Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-10-03 17:31 +0000
                Re: Linux Crashing Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2021-10-02 15:07 -0400
                Re: Linux Crashing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-09-29 20:27 -0600
                Re: Linux Crashing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-09-29 20:14 -0600
                Re: Linux Crashing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-09-29 08:02 -0600
                Re: Linux Crashing The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-29 15:09 +0100
                Re: Linux Crashing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-09-29 19:48 -0600
                Re: Linux Crashing Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-09-29 00:37 -0500
                Re: Linux Crashing The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-29 11:57 +0100
                Re: Linux Crashing The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-29 11:55 +0100
                Re: Linux Crashing The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-29 11:55 +0100
                Re: Linux Crashing chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2021-09-29 06:25 -0500
                Re: Linux Crashing Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-09-29 11:50 -0500
                Re: Linux Crashing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-09-29 19:40 -0600
                Re: Linux Crashing Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-09-30 01:43 +0000
                Re: Linux Crashing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-09-30 07:48 -0600
                Re: Linux Crashing The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2021-09-29 23:53 -0700
                Re: Linux Crashing The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-30 12:06 +0100
              Re: Linux Crashing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-09-28 07:49 -0600
                Re: Linux Crashing Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-09-28 11:37 -0500
  Re: Linux Crashing RabidHussar <rabid@huss.ar> - 2021-09-27 09:36 -0400
  Re: Linux Crashing RabidHussar <rabid@huss.ar> - 2021-09-27 09:37 -0400
  Re: Linux Crashing chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2021-09-27 09:25 -0500
  Re: Linux Crashing The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2021-09-27 09:50 -0700
    Re: Linux Crashing The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-27 18:33 +0100
      Re: Linux Crashing The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2021-09-27 11:55 -0700
        Re: Linux Crashing Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-09-27 15:43 -0500
          Re: Linux Crashing The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2021-09-27 14:51 -0700
            Re: Linux Crashing Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-09-27 17:05 -0500
      Re: Linux Crashing Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-27 21:31 +0100
        Re: Linux Crashing The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-28 12:57 +0100
          Re: Linux Crashing Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-09-28 19:03 +0000
      Re: Linux Crashing Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-09-27 15:38 -0500
        Re: Linux Crashing RabidHussar <rabid@huss.ar> - 2021-09-27 21:44 -0400
          Re: Linux Crashing Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-09-27 22:50 -0500
        Re: Linux Crashing The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-28 13:00 +0100
      Re: Linux Crashing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-09-27 20:27 -0600
        Re: Linux Crashing Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-09-27 23:22 -0500
          Re: Linux Crashing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-09-28 07:42 -0600
  Re: Linux Crashing Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@gmail.com> - 2021-09-28 05:21 +0000

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