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| Started by | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| First post | 2025-10-15 21:39 +0000 |
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Framework Steps Into It rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-15 21:39 +0000
Re: Framework Steps Into It Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2025-10-16 21:37 +0200
Re: Framework Steps Into It rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-17 01:52 +0000
Re: Framework Steps Into It Jason H <jason_hindle@yahoo.com> - 2025-10-17 21:08 +0000
Re: Framework Steps Into It Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2025-10-18 08:20 +0200
Re: Framework Steps Into It Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-18 06:33 +0000
Re: Framework Steps Into It rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-18 19:40 +0000
Re: Framework Steps Into It Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2025-10-22 06:41 +0200
Re: Framework Steps Into It Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-22 21:46 +0000
Re: Framework Steps Into It Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-10-25 12:52 +0000
Re: Framework Steps Into It The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-25 16:46 +0100
Re: Framework Steps Into It The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-18 10:37 +0100
Re: Framework Steps Into It Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2025-10-19 21:19 +0000
Re: Framework Steps Into It The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-20 17:05 +0100
Re: Framework Steps Into It Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2025-10-21 12:00 +0000
Re: Framework Steps Into It Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-10-21 13:37 +0100
Re: Framework Steps Into It The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-21 15:37 +0100
Re: Framework Steps Into It rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-21 19:26 +0000
Re: Framework Steps Into It The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-22 11:35 +0100
Re: Framework Steps Into It Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-10-22 14:34 +0100
Re: Framework Steps Into It rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-22 20:41 +0000
Re: Framework Steps Into It Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-10-22 15:18 -0700
Re: Framework Steps Into It The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-23 08:57 +0100
Re: Framework Steps Into It rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-23 20:16 +0000
Re: Framework Steps Into It Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-10-23 20:30 -0700
Re: Framework Steps Into It rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-24 05:28 +0000
Re: Framework Steps Into It Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-10-23 23:09 -0700
Re: Framework Steps Into It rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-24 18:50 +0000
Re: Framework Steps Into It The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-24 10:13 +0100
Re: Framework Steps Into It Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-10-24 10:25 +0100
Re: Framework Steps Into It The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-24 11:51 +0100
Re: Framework Steps Into It Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-10-24 17:06 +0100
Re: Framework Steps Into It rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-24 19:02 +0000
Re: Framework Steps Into It The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-25 10:38 +0100
Re: Framework Steps Into It rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-24 18:54 +0000
Re: Framework Steps Into It Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-24 21:09 +0000
Re: Framework Steps Into It Joerg Walther <joerg.walther@magenta.de> - 2025-10-25 10:45 +0200
Re: Framework Steps Into It The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-25 10:43 +0100
Re: Framework Steps Into It Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-10-23 08:54 +0100
Re: Framework Steps Into It Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-22 18:03 +0000
Re: Framework Steps Into It rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-22 20:38 +0000
Re: Framework Steps Into It Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-21 22:55 +0000
Re: Framework Steps Into It Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-10-22 14:15 +0100
Re: Framework Steps Into It Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-22 21:48 +0000
Re: Framework Steps Into It Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-10-23 09:12 +0100
Re: Framework Steps Into It Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2025-10-23 10:11 +0000
Re: Framework Steps Into It rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-23 20:10 +0000
Re: Framework Steps Into It Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-23 21:00 +0000
Re: Framework Steps Into It Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-10-24 09:44 +0100
Re: Framework Steps Into It Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-24 20:42 +0000
Re: Framework Steps Into It Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-24 23:01 +0000
Re: Framework Steps Into It Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-25 01:05 +0000
Re: Framework Steps Into It Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2025-10-22 11:31 +0000
Re: Framework Steps Into It The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-22 12:51 +0100
Re: Framework Steps Into It Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-23 00:08 +0000
Re: Framework Steps Into It Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-23 04:01 +0000
Re: Framework Steps Into It Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2025-10-23 10:09 +0000
Re: Framework Steps Into It Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-10-23 09:59 -0700
Re: Framework Steps Into It The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-23 18:55 +0100
Re: Framework Steps Into It "Rinaldi J. Montessi" <rinaldij@dev.null> - 2025-10-23 13:29 -0500
Re: Framework Steps Into It rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-23 20:14 +0000
Re: Framework Steps Into It Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-10-23 20:47 -0700
Re: Framework Steps Into It The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-24 10:14 +0100
Re: Framework Steps Into It rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-24 18:44 +0000
Re: Framework Steps Into It Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-10-24 12:55 -0700
Re: Framework Steps Into It rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-25 02:05 +0000
Re: Framework Steps Into It Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-10-24 21:45 -0700
Re: Framework Steps Into It "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-25 15:06 +0200
Re: Framework Steps Into It rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-25 19:55 +0000
Re: Framework Steps Into It Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-10-25 14:45 -0700
Re: Framework Steps Into It Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-26 01:37 +0100
Re: Framework Steps Into It Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-10-25 21:01 -0700
Re: Framework Steps Into It rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-26 02:10 +0000
Re: Framework Steps Into It Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-10-25 21:13 -0700
Re: Framework Steps Into It rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-26 07:22 +0000
Re: Framework Steps Into It Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-24 20:43 +0000
Re: Framework Steps Into It Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-23 21:03 +0000
Re: Framework Steps Into It c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-23 00:08 -0400
Re: Framework Steps Into It The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-21 15:33 +0100
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-10-22 20:38 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mlstm2F3gmnU5@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #76540 |
On Wed, 22 Oct 2025 18:03:32 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > On 2025-10-21, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: > >> Vaguely related: I didn't attend but in the photos of Saturday's No >> Kings demonstration I saw what I thought was a surprising amount of >> gray fur. I wrote it off since this city has a lot of aging hippies. >> From comments across the country it seems boomers were over represented >> across the country. >> >> I'd have thought it was a young person thing. > > Probably a lot of those boomers are explaining things to the young > people, many of whom get a blank look when you mention Kent State. Some > of those boomers might even be able to relate their parents' stories > about Germany in the 1930s. You mean the decadence of the Weimar Republic, with the KPD and original Antifa threatening to take over the country and replay the Red Terror of the Hungarian Soviet Republic?
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-21 22:55 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10d930a$90v4$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #76467 |
On Tue, 21 Oct 2025 13:37:27 +0100, Pancho wrote: > Is there something about Linux development that attracts intolerant > evangelists. It’s Free Software. Nobody can stop you from using it, or figuring out how it works and developing it in your own way, and then redistributing your new, improved version. There are too many of these complainers around, who don’t actually understand how to contribute to the software, who nevertheless like to put down those who do.
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| From | Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-10-22 14:15 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <10dald9$k85q$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #76483 |
On 10/21/25 23:55, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > On Tue, 21 Oct 2025 13:37:27 +0100, Pancho wrote: > >> Is there something about Linux development that attracts intolerant >> evangelists. > > It’s Free Software. Nobody can stop you from using it, or figuring out how > it works and developing it in your own way, and then redistributing your > new, improved version. > But that is exactly what some free software developers do to other free software developers. They claim a developer has been hostile, or committed some vague or unspoken offence and should be shunned by other developers. They pass down edicts that the other person should be shunned. If other projects don't shun a developer declared hostile, there is a fear they will be declared hostile themselves. This is exactly the way religious bigotry and oppression work. Most people just want to fit in, so they go along with bigotry for fear of being excluded themselves. > There are too many of these complainers around, who don’t actually > understand how to contribute to the software, who nevertheless like to put > down those who do. Yes, there are unholy people who have the temerity to comment on the behaviour of the anointed priesthood. There was an example of this with the graphics drivers for RK3588 Mali g610. A developer broke away from the "official" MESA team and delivered a working driver. The official team criticised other projects for using this driver. Apparently, all the end users should have waited a year or two for them to develop an official driver. I've got no idea what went on between the two parties, but I wanted a working driver, I consider it very rude when someone starts demanding I stop using working software because they have some vague, unproven, beef with the other developer. It was only years later I realised that one of the developers was trans. Now, I know in the modern enlightened world I'm not supposed to notice such things, but I do. My life is built upon using heuristics and informed generalisation.
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-22 21:48 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10dbjfp$tt70$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #76534 |
On Wed, 22 Oct 2025 14:15:21 +0100, Pancho wrote: > On 10/21/25 23:55, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: >> >> On Tue, 21 Oct 2025 13:37:27 +0100, Pancho wrote: >> >>> Is there something about Linux development that attracts >>> intolerant evangelists. >> >> It’s Free Software. Nobody can stop you from using it, or figuring >> out how it works and developing it in your own way, and then >> redistributing your new, improved version. >> > But that is exactly what some free software developers do to other > free software developers. They can eject people from a team, they can’t stop those people continuing the development elsewhere. > There was an example of this with the graphics drivers for RK3588 > Mali g610. A developer broke away from the "official" MESA team and > delivered a working driver. The official team criticised other > projects for using this driver. Apparently, all the end users should > have waited a year or two for them to develop an official driver. And did they?
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| From | Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-10-23 09:12 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <10dco23$1eh3m$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #76552 |
On 10/22/25 22:48, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > On Wed, 22 Oct 2025 14:15:21 +0100, Pancho wrote: > >> On 10/21/25 23:55, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: >>> >>> On Tue, 21 Oct 2025 13:37:27 +0100, Pancho wrote: >>> >>>> Is there something about Linux development that attracts >>>> intolerant evangelists. >>> >>> It’s Free Software. Nobody can stop you from using it, or figuring >>> out how it works and developing it in your own way, and then >>> redistributing your new, improved version. >>> >> But that is exactly what some free software developers do to other >> free software developers. > > They can eject people from a team, they can’t stop those people > continuing the development elsewhere. > Teams ejecting members is fine, attempting to cancel the ejected person is not. >> There was an example of this with the graphics drivers for RK3588 >> Mali g610. A developer broke away from the "official" MESA team and >> delivered a working driver. The official team criticised other >> projects for using this driver. Apparently, all the end users should >> have waited a year or two for them to develop an official driver. > > And did they? Some other projects avoided the driver, others refused to help develop it. The official driver is now out, but not yet with full functionality.
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| From | Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-23 10:11 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrn10fjvq5.7han.boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> |
| In reply to | #76576 |
On 2025-10-23, Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> wrote: > On 10/22/25 22:48, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: >> On Wed, 22 Oct 2025 14:15:21 +0100, Pancho wrote: >> >>> On 10/21/25 23:55, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: >>>> >>>> On Tue, 21 Oct 2025 13:37:27 +0100, Pancho wrote: >>>> >>>>> Is there something about Linux development that attracts >>>>> intolerant evangelists. >>>> >>>> It’s Free Software. Nobody can stop you from using it, or figuring >>>> out how it works and developing it in your own way, and then >>>> redistributing your new, improved version. >>>> >>> But that is exactly what some free software developers do to other >>> free software developers. >> >> They can eject people from a team, they can’t stop those people >> continuing the development elsewhere. >> > > Teams ejecting members is fine, attempting to cancel the ejected person > is not. > >>> There was an example of this with the graphics drivers for RK3588 >>> Mali g610. A developer broke away from the "official" MESA team and >>> delivered a working driver. The official team criticised other >>> projects for using this driver. Apparently, all the end users should >>> have waited a year or two for them to develop an official driver. >> >> And did they? > > Some other projects avoided the driver, others refused to help develop > it. The official driver is now out, but not yet with full functionality. Leftists just deny, deny, deny. They are best ignored, rather than debated.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-10-23 20:10 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mlvgdjFgc64U9@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #76579 |
On Thu, 23 Oct 2025 10:11:17 -0000 (UTC), Borax Man wrote: > They are best ignored, rather than debated. Mud wrestling with a pig...
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-23 21:00 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10de522$250ss$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #76576 |
On Thu, 23 Oct 2025 09:12:51 +0100, Pancho wrote: > On 10/22/25 22:48, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: >> >> On Wed, 22 Oct 2025 14:15:21 +0100, Pancho wrote: >> >>> On 10/21/25 23:55, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: >>>> >>>> On Tue, 21 Oct 2025 13:37:27 +0100, Pancho wrote: >>>> >>>>> Is there something about Linux development that attracts >>>>> intolerant evangelists. >>>> >>>> It’s Free Software. Nobody can stop you from using it, or >>>> figuring out how it works and developing it in your own way, and >>>> then redistributing your new, improved version. >>>> >>> But that is exactly what some free software developers do to other >>> free software developers. >> >> They can eject people from a team, they can’t stop those people >> continuing the development elsewhere. >> > Teams ejecting members is fine, attempting to cancel the ejected > person is not. I’m not sure how you can “cancel” someone from using and developing Free software. The licences are irrevocable, remember -- there are no clauses in them that say you are not permitted to use some software just because someone doesn’t agree with your politics. >>> There was an example of this with the graphics drivers for RK3588 >>> Mali g610. A developer broke away from the "official" MESA team >>> and delivered a working driver. The official team criticised other >>> projects for using this driver. Apparently, all the end users >>> should have waited a year or two for them to develop an official >>> driver. >> >> And did they? > > Some other projects avoided the driver, others refused to help > develop it. The official driver is now out, but not yet with full > functionality. So some projects *did* use the renegade driver? Did it work OK?
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| From | Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-10-24 09:44 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <10dfe94$2eb1q$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #76602 |
On 10/23/25 22:00, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > On Thu, 23 Oct 2025 09:12:51 +0100, Pancho wrote: > >> On 10/22/25 22:48, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: >>> >>> On Wed, 22 Oct 2025 14:15:21 +0100, Pancho wrote: >>> >>>> On 10/21/25 23:55, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, 21 Oct 2025 13:37:27 +0100, Pancho wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Is there something about Linux development that attracts >>>>>> intolerant evangelists. >>>>> >>>>> It’s Free Software. Nobody can stop you from using it, or >>>>> figuring out how it works and developing it in your own way, and >>>>> then redistributing your new, improved version. >>>>> >>>> But that is exactly what some free software developers do to other >>>> free software developers. >>> >>> They can eject people from a team, they can’t stop those people >>> continuing the development elsewhere. >>> >> Teams ejecting members is fine, attempting to cancel the ejected >> person is not. > > I’m not sure how you can “cancel” someone from using and developing > Free software. The licences are irrevocable, remember -- there are no > clauses in them that say you are not permitted to use some software > just because someone doesn’t agree with your politics. > This is a silly argument. Free software developers want their software to be used. They want to collaborate with other people. Just like commercial companies want their software to be bought. Politically motivated attempts to stop people using the software are important to them, they do hurt them. They are politically stifling, which is what they are designed to be. You can claim a specific boycott campaign is righteous, but claiming they are inherently insignificant is disingenuous.
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-24 20:42 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10dgob4$2rrqv$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #76623 |
On Fri, 24 Oct 2025 09:44:20 +0100, Pancho wrote: > On 10/23/25 22:00, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: >> >> I’m not sure how you can “cancel” someone from using and developing >> Free software. The licences are irrevocable, remember -- there are >> no clauses in them that say you are not permitted to use some >> software just because someone doesn’t agree with your politics. >> > Politically motivated attempts to stop people using the software are > important to them, they do hurt them. You still haven’t explained how such a thing can be done. > You can claim a specific boycott campaign is righteous, but claiming > they are inherently insignificant is disingenuous. Where has there ever been a successful campaign to boycott Free software?
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-24 23:01 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <czTKQ.203619$RB68.132756@fx39.iad> |
| In reply to | #76646 |
On 2025-10-24, Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: > Where has there ever been a successful campaign to boycott Free software? Probably nowhere in the long term. But there have been successes in the short term. And then you get things like Microsoft's TCO fiasco... -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | Growth for the sake of \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | growth is the ideology X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | of the cancer cell. / \ if you read it the right way. | -- Edward Abbey
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-25 01:05 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10dh7p2$30ao1$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #76649 |
On Fri, 24 Oct 2025 23:01:28 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > On 2025-10-24, Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: > >> Where has there ever been a successful campaign to boycott Free software? > > Probably nowhere in the long term. But there have been successes in > the short term. Please mention one or two. > And then you get things like Microsoft's TCO fiasco... Microsoft was completely outclassed.
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| From | Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-22 11:31 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrn10fhg4o.78u6.boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> |
| In reply to | #76467 |
On 2025-10-21, Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> wrote: > On 10/21/25 13:00, Borax Man wrote: > > >> Who the hell cares? People are sick and tired of this political >> rubbish. >> >> They are children, wanting others to make some fealty statements >> otherwise they cry. >> >> Frankly, if developers are going to get into a tizzy because others are >> not going to make subservient political statements that they want them t >> make, then they can just bugger off. If that means we see less >> pointless Rust re-writes of existing software, then so be it. >> >> We all see through this charade. They are political activists, trying >> to bully others into being politically active. >> >> > > I don't mix much with young people, but it seems to me this kind of > stuff is over-represented in the Linux free software community. > > Is there something about Linux development that attracts intolerant > evangelists. I don't think it is just trans issues, in the past I can > remember people getting over-heated about boring everyday stuff such as > bicycle helmets. > > It's like they should be taking chill pills. > > Are Rust rewrites pointless? It seems to me, a modern OS should be > written in a modern language. The thing I don't have a feeling for is if > it is best to incrementally refactor Linux, or if someone should start > from scratch. > I think they are. If it isn't broken, why fix it? I suspect part of the motivatoin for the "rewrite in Rust", is to take control of the Free Software movement, by moving the major tools from others to yourself, where you can police and gatekeep the community. If your half-baked rust version (and they usually are half baked) is what is now being used by Distros, that gives you power, and you can be more political.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-22 12:51 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <10daggl$ii4h$12@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #76520 |
On 22/10/2025 12:31, Borax Man wrote: > I suspect part of the motivatoin for the "rewrite in Rust", is to take > control of the Free Software movement, by moving the major tools from > others to yourself, where you can police and gatekeep the community. If > your half-baked rust version (and they usually are half baked) is what > is now being used by Distros, that gives you power, and you can be more > political. This again is straight out of AgitProp 101 and the Communist handbook. "Politics is all that is important, whatever job you do it is always in the service of the Cause." Back in the 1960s Rudi Dutschke coined the phrase 'the long march through the institutions' as a description of the Communist's strategy to achieve world dominance. They have now achieved that and moral politics and need for more government control to enforce it is the dominant force in Western institutions. Leading to the backlash of the Right that is now gathering momentum. -- "I am inclined to tell the truth and dislike people who lie consistently. This makes me unfit for the company of people of a Left persuasion, and all women"
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-23 00:08 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10dbrmn$10pja$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #76520 |
On Wed, 22 Oct 2025 11:31:37 -0000 (UTC), Borax Man wrote: > I suspect part of the motivatoin for the "rewrite in Rust", is to take > control of the Free Software movement ... Any good conspiracy theory must obey rule 1: “Cui bono?” -- Who stands to benefit? Or if you prefer, “follow the money”. How can any hypothetical group, no matter how sinister or shadowy, 1) take control of a movement which is inherently based on freedom from anybody’s control, and 2) accumulate money and/or power by doing so? Sometimes it’s quite amusing to see the conspiracy theorists tie themselves in knots trying to answer these questions ...
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-23 04:01 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <LMhKQ.1085701$Jgh9.796932@fx15.iad> |
| In reply to | #76558 |
On 2025-10-23, Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: > On Wed, 22 Oct 2025 11:31:37 -0000 (UTC), Borax Man wrote: > >> I suspect part of the motivatoin for the "rewrite in Rust", is to take >> control of the Free Software movement ... > > Any good conspiracy theory must obey rule 1: “Cui bono?” -- Who stands to > benefit? Or if you prefer, “follow the money”. > > How can any hypothetical group, no matter how sinister or shadowy, 1) take > control of a movement which is inherently based on freedom from anybody’s > control, and 2) accumulate money and/or power by doing so? > > Sometimes it’s quite amusing to see the conspiracy theorists tie > themselves in knots trying to answer these questions ... On the other hand, consider the "embrace, extend, extinguish" movement. -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | Growth for the sake of \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | growth is the ideology X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | of the cancer cell. / \ if you read it the right way. | -- Edward Abbey
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| From | Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-23 10:09 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrn10fjvmo.7han.boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> |
| In reply to | #76558 |
On 2025-10-23, Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: > On Wed, 22 Oct 2025 11:31:37 -0000 (UTC), Borax Man wrote: > >> I suspect part of the motivatoin for the "rewrite in Rust", is to take >> control of the Free Software movement ... > > Any good conspiracy theory must obey rule 1: “Cui bono?” -- Who stands to > benefit? Or if you prefer, “follow the money”. > > How can any hypothetical group, no matter how sinister or shadowy, 1) take > control of a movement which is inherently based on freedom from anybody’s > control, and 2) accumulate money and/or power by doing so? > > Sometimes it’s quite amusing to see the conspiracy theorists tie > themselves in knots trying to answer these questions ... There is nothing to answer. There is an endless stream of evidence that people in the Free Software movement are politically motivated and using their own political values as a means to justify taking action against others who don't abide. If you want to pretend not to see it, then go ahead.
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| From | Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> |
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| Date | 2025-10-23 09:59 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <10ddmtt$1uhd5$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #76578 |
On 10/23/25 03:09, Borax Man wrote: > On 2025-10-23, Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: >> On Wed, 22 Oct 2025 11:31:37 -0000 (UTC), Borax Man wrote: >> >>> I suspect part of the motivatoin for the "rewrite in Rust", is to take >>> control of the Free Software movement ... >> >> Any good conspiracy theory must obey rule 1: “Cui bono?” -- Who stands to >> benefit? Or if you prefer, “follow the money”. >> >> How can any hypothetical group, no matter how sinister or shadowy, 1) take >> control of a movement which is inherently based on freedom from anybody’s >> control, and 2) accumulate money and/or power by doing so? >> >> Sometimes it’s quite amusing to see the conspiracy theorists tie >> themselves in knots trying to answer these questions ... > > There is nothing to answer. There is an endless stream of evidence that > people in the Free Software movement are politically motivated and using > their own political values as a means to justify taking action against > others who don't abide. Indeed from the days of the Commodore 64 there have been developers who attempted to deny the use of the software to people with whom they did not agree, politically or religiously. Individuals cannot get much leverage. When their survival is at stake I don't blame anyone from promoting the laws that will keep them alive and attacking those which oppress them. African-Americans, Women, and the Gay Community have all done that. This is presently the case with Transgendered folks, a tiny minority of American Citizens who are under attack from US states and Federal authorities. > If you want to pretend not to see it, then go ahead. bliss
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-23 18:55 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <10ddq5s$1vu01$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #76585 |
On 23/10/2025 17:59, Bobbie Sellers wrote: > This is presently > the case with Transgendered folks, a tiny minority of American Citizens > who are under attack from US states and Federal authorities. No. They have *said* that they are. In reality no one gives a tuppeny f*** as long as they don't use their rest rooms and abuse their children -- There is nothing a fleet of dispatchable nuclear power plants cannot do that cannot be done worse and more expensively and with higher carbon emissions and more adverse environmental impact by adding intermittent renewable energy.
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| From | "Rinaldi J. Montessi" <rinaldij@dev.null> |
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| Date | 2025-10-23 13:29 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <9beb269a-00dd-4408-ae1f-48e354c01e0f@invalid.com> |
| In reply to | #76585 |
On 10/23/25 11:59, Bobbie Sellers wrote: > > ...This is presently > the case with Transgendered folks, a tiny minority of American Citizens > who are under attack from US states and Federal authorities. Seriously? I think twerking and suggestive dancing in elementary schools is a bit premature. Is that an attack? Rinaldi -- The time has been That, when the brains were out, the man would die...
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