Re: Framework Steps Into It

From	Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid>
Newsgroups	comp.os.linux.misc
Subject	Re: Framework Steps Into It
Date	2025-10-22 11:31 +0000
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On 2025-10-21, Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> wrote:
> On 10/21/25 13:00, Borax Man wrote:
>
>
>> Who the hell cares?  People are sick and tired of this political
>> rubbish.
>> 
>> They are children, wanting others to make some fealty statements
>> otherwise they cry.
>> 
>> Frankly, if developers are going to get into a tizzy because others are
>> not going to make subservient political statements that they want them t
>> make, then they can just bugger off.  If that means we see less
>> pointless Rust re-writes of existing software, then so be it.
>> 
>> We all see through this charade.  They are political activists, trying
>> to bully others into being politically active.
>> 
>> 
>
> I don't mix much with young people, but it seems to me this kind of 
> stuff is over-represented in the Linux free software community.
>
> Is there something about Linux development that attracts intolerant 
> evangelists. I don't think it is just trans issues, in the past I can 
> remember people getting over-heated about boring everyday stuff such as 
> bicycle helmets.
>
> It's like they should be taking chill pills.
>
> Are Rust rewrites pointless? It seems to me, a modern OS should be 
> written in a modern language. The thing I don't have a feeling for is if 
> it is best to incrementally refactor Linux, or if someone should start 
> from scratch.
>

I think they are.  If it isn't broken, why fix it?

I suspect part of the motivatoin for the "rewrite in Rust", is to take
control of the Free Software movement, by moving the major tools from
others to yourself, where you can police and gatekeep the community.  If
your half-baked rust version (and they usually are half baked) is what
is now being used by Distros, that gives you power, and you can be more
political.

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  Re: Framework Steps Into It Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2025-10-16 21:37 +0200
    Re: Framework Steps Into It rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-17 01:52 +0000
  Re: Framework Steps Into It Jason H <jason_hindle@yahoo.com> - 2025-10-17 21:08 +0000
    Re: Framework Steps Into It Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2025-10-18 08:20 +0200
      Re: Framework Steps Into It Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-18 06:33 +0000
        Re: Framework Steps Into It rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-18 19:40 +0000
        Re: Framework Steps Into It Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2025-10-22 06:41 +0200
          Re: Framework Steps Into It Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-22 21:46 +0000
            Re: Framework Steps Into It Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-10-25 12:52 +0000
              Re: Framework Steps Into It The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-25 16:46 +0100
    Re: Framework Steps Into It The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-18 10:37 +0100
    Re: Framework Steps Into It Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2025-10-19 21:19 +0000
      Re: Framework Steps Into It The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-20 17:05 +0100
      Re: Framework Steps Into It Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2025-10-21 12:00 +0000
        Re: Framework Steps Into It Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-10-21 13:37 +0100
          Re: Framework Steps Into It The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-21 15:37 +0100
          Re: Framework Steps Into It rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-21 19:26 +0000
            Re: Framework Steps Into It The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-22 11:35 +0100
            Re: Framework Steps Into It Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-10-22 14:34 +0100
              Re: Framework Steps Into It rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-22 20:41 +0000
                Re: Framework Steps Into It Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-10-22 15:18 -0700
                Re: Framework Steps Into It The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-23 08:57 +0100
                Re: Framework Steps Into It rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-23 20:16 +0000
                Re: Framework Steps Into It Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-10-23 20:30 -0700
                Re: Framework Steps Into It rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-24 05:28 +0000
                Re: Framework Steps Into It Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-10-23 23:09 -0700
                Re: Framework Steps Into It rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-24 18:50 +0000
                Re: Framework Steps Into It The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-24 10:13 +0100
                Re: Framework Steps Into It Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-10-24 10:25 +0100
                Re: Framework Steps Into It The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-24 11:51 +0100
                Re: Framework Steps Into It Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-10-24 17:06 +0100
                Re: Framework Steps Into It rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-24 19:02 +0000
                Re: Framework Steps Into It The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-25 10:38 +0100
                Re: Framework Steps Into It rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-24 18:54 +0000
                Re: Framework Steps Into It Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-24 21:09 +0000
                Re: Framework Steps Into It Joerg Walther <joerg.walther@magenta.de> - 2025-10-25 10:45 +0200
                Re: Framework Steps Into It The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-25 10:43 +0100
                Re: Framework Steps Into It Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-10-23 08:54 +0100
            Re: Framework Steps Into It Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-22 18:03 +0000
              Re: Framework Steps Into It rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-22 20:38 +0000
          Re: Framework Steps Into It Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-21 22:55 +0000
            Re: Framework Steps Into It Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-10-22 14:15 +0100
              Re: Framework Steps Into It Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-22 21:48 +0000
                Re: Framework Steps Into It Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-10-23 09:12 +0100
                Re: Framework Steps Into It Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2025-10-23 10:11 +0000
                Re: Framework Steps Into It rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-23 20:10 +0000
                Re: Framework Steps Into It Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-23 21:00 +0000
                Re: Framework Steps Into It Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-10-24 09:44 +0100
                Re: Framework Steps Into It Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-24 20:42 +0000
                Re: Framework Steps Into It Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-24 23:01 +0000
                Re: Framework Steps Into It Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-25 01:05 +0000
          Re: Framework Steps Into It Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2025-10-22 11:31 +0000
            Re: Framework Steps Into It The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-22 12:51 +0100
            Re: Framework Steps Into It Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-23 00:08 +0000
              Re: Framework Steps Into It Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-23 04:01 +0000
              Re: Framework Steps Into It Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2025-10-23 10:09 +0000
                Re: Framework Steps Into It Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-10-23 09:59 -0700
                Re: Framework Steps Into It The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-23 18:55 +0100
                Re: Framework Steps Into It "Rinaldi J. Montessi" <rinaldij@dev.null> - 2025-10-23 13:29 -0500
                Re: Framework Steps Into It rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-23 20:14 +0000
                Re: Framework Steps Into It Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-10-23 20:47 -0700
                Re: Framework Steps Into It The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-24 10:14 +0100
                Re: Framework Steps Into It rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-24 18:44 +0000
                Re: Framework Steps Into It Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-10-24 12:55 -0700
                Re: Framework Steps Into It rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-25 02:05 +0000
                Re: Framework Steps Into It Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-10-24 21:45 -0700
                Re: Framework Steps Into It "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-25 15:06 +0200
                Re: Framework Steps Into It rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-25 19:55 +0000
                Re: Framework Steps Into It Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-10-25 14:45 -0700
                Re: Framework Steps Into It Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-26 01:37 +0100
                Re: Framework Steps Into It Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-10-25 21:01 -0700
                Re: Framework Steps Into It rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-26 02:10 +0000
                Re: Framework Steps Into It Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-10-25 21:13 -0700
                Re: Framework Steps Into It rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-26 07:22 +0000
                Re: Framework Steps Into It Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-24 20:43 +0000
                Re: Framework Steps Into It Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-23 21:03 +0000
            Re: Framework Steps Into It c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-23 00:08 -0400
        Re: Framework Steps Into It The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-21 15:33 +0100

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