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GNOME/Freedesktop Incompetent Assholes Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2024-10-07 21:56 +0000
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop Incompetent Assholes Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-10-07 18:33 -0400
Larry's incompetence (was: Re: GNOME/Freedesktop Incompetent Assholes) vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2024-10-08 03:01 +0000
Re: Larry's incompetence (was: Re: GNOME/Freedesktop Incompetent Assholes) candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-10-08 19:40 +0000
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence tom <tom@invalid.tld> - 2024-10-08 18:54 -0500
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2024-10-09 10:51 +0000
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2024-10-09 13:07 +0000
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-10-09 16:23 -0400
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-10-10 11:08 +0200
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-10 18:54 +0000
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence Phillip Frabott <nntp@fulltermprivacy.com> - 2024-10-10 16:10 -0400
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-10 22:13 +0000
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence Phillip Frabott <nntp@fulltermprivacy.com> - 2024-10-12 12:46 -0400
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-12 22:57 +0200
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence Phillip Frabott <nntp@fulltermprivacy.com> - 2024-10-12 20:48 -0400
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-13 11:56 +0200
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence Phillip Frabott <nntp@fulltermprivacy.com> - 2024-10-13 09:56 -0400
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-13 22:34 +0200
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence Phillip Frabott <nntp@fulltermprivacy.com> - 2024-10-13 18:41 -0400
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2024-10-13 23:47 +0000
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence Phillip Frabott <nntp@fulltermprivacy.com> - 2024-10-14 00:50 -0400
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-14 11:45 +0200
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-14 11:46 +0100
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-14 14:47 +0200
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-14 18:27 +0100
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-14 21:56 +0200
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-14 22:33 +0000
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-15 00:10 +0100
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-15 10:19 +0200
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-15 13:20 +0100
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-15 22:21 +0200
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-14 13:55 +0000
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence Phillip Frabott <nntp@fulltermprivacy.com> - 2024-10-14 13:13 -0400
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-14 18:42 +0100
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-14 18:39 +0100
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-14 21:57 +0200
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-15 00:11 +0100
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-15 10:12 +0200
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-14 21:29 +0000
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-15 00:12 +0100
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-15 02:01 +0000
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-15 10:09 +0200
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-15 12:26 +0100
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-15 22:24 +0200
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-16 02:57 +0000
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-16 10:22 +0200
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-10-16 07:34 -0400
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-16 19:51 +0100
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2024-10-15 13:06 +0100
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-15 14:39 +0100
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-15 18:17 +0100
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-15 20:21 +0100
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-15 19:30 +0000
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-14 21:48 +0200
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-14 23:49 +0100
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-15 10:10 +0200
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-15 12:46 +0100
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-15 22:24 +0200
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-16 02:29 -0400
Political Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2024-10-14 13:00 +0000
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-14 11:35 +0100
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-14 11:37 +0200
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-13 22:58 +0000
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-14 11:41 +0200
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence Juancho <eternal@notreally.com> - 2024-11-01 18:11 +0100
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2024-10-11 07:38 +1000
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-10-11 08:28 +0200
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2024-10-12 07:57 +1000
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-11 10:53 +0200
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-11 18:36 +0000
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-11 22:00 +0200
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence Phillip Frabott <nntp@fulltermprivacy.com> - 2024-10-12 12:40 -0400
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence Phillip Frabott <nntp@fulltermprivacy.com> - 2024-10-12 12:43 -0400
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-12 22:55 +0200
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-13 00:40 +0000
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-13 11:50 +0200
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-13 13:04 +0100
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-13 18:39 +0000
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence Harold Stevens <wookie@aspen.localdomain> - 2024-10-13 13:56 -0500
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-13 18:24 +0000
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-13 22:38 +0200
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence Phillip Frabott <nntp@fulltermprivacy.com> - 2024-10-12 20:56 -0400
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-13 11:59 +0200
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-13 13:23 +0100
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-13 18:27 +0000
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-13 22:39 +0200
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-14 11:21 +0100
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence Phillip Frabott <nntp@fulltermprivacy.com> - 2024-10-13 10:06 -0400
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-13 22:37 +0200
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence Phillip Frabott <nntp@fulltermprivacy.com> - 2024-10-13 18:51 -0400
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-13 13:06 +0100
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2024-10-09 14:43 +0000
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-10-09 18:10 +0000
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-10-09 16:27 -0400
Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-10-10 18:10 +0000
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| From | Phillip Frabott <nntp@fulltermprivacy.com> |
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| Date | 2024-10-14 00:50 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence |
| Message-ID | <vei7u4$12jee$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #59370 |
On 10/13/2024 19:47, Lars Poulsen wrote: > The fact is that for decades, the Republican administrations have run up > the deficits, while Democrats have reduced them. > https://fiscaldata.treasury.gov/americas-finance-guide/national-deficit/#us-deficit-by-year ^^ I would like to point out, .GOV. It's an official government web site. Debt totals $1.99T - W Bush 8 years (2001-2008) $7.29T - Obama 8 years (2009-2016) $5.56T - Trump 4 years (2017-2020) $5.85T - Biden 3 Years (2021-2023) [Does not include 2024 spending] Party Debt from 2001-2023 $7.55T - Republican Presidents $13.15T - Democrat Presidents BTW, it saddens me that you can't find this information on your own. -- Phillip Frabott ---------- - Adam: Is a void really a void if it returns? - Jack: No, it's just nullspace at that point. ----------
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| From | D <nospam@example.net> |
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| Date | 2024-10-14 11:45 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence |
| Message-ID | <acae19ed-18bc-b6a7-0784-f1adcdd0010c@example.net> |
| In reply to | #59372 |
On Mon, 14 Oct 2024, Phillip Frabott wrote: > On 10/13/2024 19:47, Lars Poulsen wrote: > >> The fact is that for decades, the Republican administrations have run up >> the deficits, while Democrats have reduced them. >> > > https://fiscaldata.treasury.gov/americas-finance-guide/national-deficit/#us-deficit-by-year > > ^^ I would like to point out, .GOV. It's an official government web site. > > Debt totals > > $1.99T - W Bush 8 years (2001-2008) > $7.29T - Obama 8 years (2009-2016) > $5.56T - Trump 4 years (2017-2020) > $5.85T - Biden 3 Years (2021-2023) [Does not include 2024 spending] > > Party Debt from 2001-2023 > > $7.55T - Republican Presidents > $13.15T - Democrat Presidents > > BTW, it saddens me that you can't find this information on your own. > > Yep, looks like Lars was actually the one with the wrong facts. On the other hand, I suspect some danish influence, and given that, a leaning towards the (socialist) democrats is only natural. I think the party that has elevated lawfare to new heights is in fact the Democrats, so if I could vote, it would be Trump all the way. The democrats are insane.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2024-10-14 11:46 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence |
| Message-ID | <veispb$156pd$8@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #59376 |
On 14/10/2024 10:45, D wrote:
> Yep, looks like Lars was actually the one with the wrong facts. On the
> other hand, I suspect some danish influence, and given that, a leaning
> towards the (socialist) democrats is only natural.
>
> I think the party that has elevated lawfare to new heights is in fact
> the Democrats, so if I could vote, it would be Trump all the way.
>
> The democrats are insane.
The problem is that the altenative - the Doonald, will weaken the USA
globally by becoming isolationist.
I am a natural centre right person. But the Donald has gone too far and
cost thousands of Ukrainian lives already by reneging on the terms of
the USAs relationship with Ukraine.
Ukraine is not 'Europe's problem'
Russia is a global problem alonng with Iran, North Korea China and all
the other totalitarian post communist or islamfascist states.
Making Russia great again is Putins dream, but if he destroys teh USAs
export marlet, its the USAs problem.
Right now its the Ukraine and the Israelis at the thin end of the wedge,
but it will in the end be ordinary americans, and the longer you let
these dictators get away with it the harder they become to stop.
First they came for the Ukrainians
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Ukrainian
Then they came for the Israelis
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew
Then they came for the Europeans
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a European
Then they came for the Africans
And I did not speak out
Because I was not an African
Then they came for America
And there was no one left
To speak out for us...
--
"Fanaticism consists in redoubling your effort when you have
forgotten your aim."
George Santayana
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| From | D <nospam@example.net> |
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| Date | 2024-10-14 14:47 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence |
| Message-ID | <cab03867-4c88-9db1-8f2b-f6d5c7d19d41@example.net> |
| In reply to | #59381 |
On Mon, 14 Oct 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 14/10/2024 10:45, D wrote: >> Yep, looks like Lars was actually the one with the wrong facts. On the >> other hand, I suspect some danish influence, and given that, a leaning >> towards the (socialist) democrats is only natural. >> >> I think the party that has elevated lawfare to new heights is in fact the >> Democrats, so if I could vote, it would be Trump all the way. >> >> The democrats are insane. > > The problem is that the altenative - the Doonald, will weaken the USA > globally by becoming isolationist. > > I am a natural centre right person. But the Donald has gone too far and cost > thousands of Ukrainian lives already by reneging on the terms of the USAs > relationship with Ukraine. > > Ukraine is not 'Europe's problem' > > Russia is a global problem alonng with Iran, North Korea China and all the > other totalitarian post communist or islamfascist states. > > Making Russia great again is Putins dream, but if he destroys teh USAs export > marlet, its the USAs problem. > > Right now its the Ukraine and the Israelis at the thin end of the wedge, but > it will in the end be ordinary americans, and the longer you let these > dictators get away with it the harder they become to stop. > > First they came for the Ukrainians > And I did not speak out > Because I was not a Ukrainian > Then they came for the Israelis > And I did not speak out > Because I was not a Jew > Then they came for the Europeans > And I did not speak out > Because I was not a European > Then they came for the Africans > And I did not speak out > Because I was not an African > Then they came for America > And there was no one left > To speak out for us... > I think it is important to make a difference between what Trump says (in order to get conservative votes) and what Trump does. Trump is smart, and he of course knows that without the EU, the US stands alone against the world. He will of course help the EU, but most likely with far less money, and way more effectively. That will push the EU to become more militarily integrated, which will in turn make the world safer and more stable. If the EU, like today, continues to suck on the US military teat, the EU will never develop and become a liability instead of an asset. The road forward is pretty clear and pretty easy. Russia will lose, his oligarchs will kill him, in his place, they will select someone more pro-west, so they can enjoy their playgrounds and yachts again, and then we'll continue towards prospery together with a more western oriented russia. Another option, if they insist on the crazy path, is to defang them, and split russia into the west, and countless little durka-durka-stans, without weapons and resources. Those will be left to rot, and the western half will join europe and open for business.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2024-10-14 18:27 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence |
| Message-ID | <vejk9l$19le5$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #59383 |
On 14/10/2024 13:47, D wrote: > > > On Mon, 14 Oct 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > >> On 14/10/2024 10:45, D wrote: >>> Yep, looks like Lars was actually the one with the wrong facts. On >>> the other hand, I suspect some danish influence, and given that, a >>> leaning towards the (socialist) democrats is only natural. >>> >>> I think the party that has elevated lawfare to new heights is in fact >>> the Democrats, so if I could vote, it would be Trump all the way. >>> >>> The democrats are insane. >> >> The problem is that the altenative - the Doonald, will weaken the USA >> globally by becoming isolationist. >> >> I am a natural centre right person. But the Donald has gone too far >> and cost thousands of Ukrainian lives already by reneging on the terms >> of the USAs relationship with Ukraine. >> >> Ukraine is not 'Europe's problem' >> >> Russia is a global problem alonng with Iran, North Korea China and all >> the other totalitarian post communist or islamfascist states. >> >> Making Russia great again is Putins dream, but if he destroys teh USAs >> export marlet, its the USAs problem. >> >> Right now its the Ukraine and the Israelis at the thin end of the >> wedge, but it will in the end be ordinary americans, and the longer >> you let these dictators get away with it the harder they become to stop. >> >> First they came for the Ukrainians >> And I did not speak out >> Because I was not a Ukrainian >> Then they came for the Israelis >> And I did not speak out >> Because I was not a Jew >> Then they came for the Europeans >> And I did not speak out >> Because I was not a European >> Then they came for the Africans >> And I did not speak out >> Because I was not an African >> Then they came for America >> And there was no one left >> To speak out for us... >> > > I think it is important to make a difference between what Trump says (in > order to get conservative votes) and what Trump does. > > Trump is smart, and he of course knows that without the EU, the US > stands alone against the world. He will of course help the EU, but most > likely with far less money, and way more effectively. > He almost caused Ukraine to lose by holding up the budget. What Trump does will be as far as Europe is concerned, is to let Russia occupy Ukraine forever. > That will push the EU to become more militarily integrated, which will > in turn make the world safer and more stable. > The EU has no army navy or air force (thank god, as they are about as trustworthy and ambitious as Putin) The nations of Europe and beyond belong to at most NATO, and Donald lied about that. > If the EU, like today, continues to suck on the US military teat, the EU > will never develop and become a liability instead of an asset. > The EU is not yet a military power. > The road forward is pretty clear and pretty easy. Russia will lose, his > oligarchs will kill him, in his place, they will select someone more > pro-west, so they can enjoy their playgrounds and yachts again, and then > we'll continue towards prospery together with a more western oriented > russia. > Well yes, but witholding military aid from Ukraine is not the way to achieve that. > Another option, if they insist on the crazy path, is to defang them, and > split russia into the west, and countless little durka-durka-stans, > without weapons and resources. Those will be left to rot, and the > western half will join europe and open for business. That may well happen too, but that is not what Trump has stated he wants, nor its it what MAGA has acted to promote. The USA had a deal with Ukraine and it has a deal with NATO. If it turns it back on either or both, its status as the protector of the free world disintegrates, and No European nation will support it when China comes knocking -- The biggest threat to humanity comes from socialism, which has utterly diverted our attention away from what really matters to our existential survival, to indulging in navel gazing and faux moral investigations into what the world ought to be, whilst we fail utterly to deal with what it actually is.
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| From | D <nospam@example.net> |
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| Date | 2024-10-14 21:56 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence |
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On Mon, 14 Oct 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> I think it is important to make a difference between what Trump says (in >> order to get conservative votes) and what Trump does. >> >> Trump is smart, and he of course knows that without the EU, the US stands >> alone against the world. He will of course help the EU, but most likely >> with far less money, and way more effectively. >> > He almost caused Ukraine to lose by holding up the budget. Incorrect. They are still doing well, and it US would have backed down, the EU would have ramped up. > What Trump does will be as far as Europe is concerned, is to let Russia > occupy Ukraine forever. Incorrect. Trump is pro-business, and will help EU against Russia. Don't buy the democratic rhetoric. What Trump will _not_ do however, is to throw billions upon billions into a black hole. That is smart, and will benefit americans, and also, as I have explained, europeans, in the long term. >> That will push the EU to become more militarily integrated, which will in >> turn make the world safer and more stable. >> > The EU has no army navy or air force (thank god, as they are about as > trustworthy and ambitious as Putin) The EU has plenty. You can add up the military capacity of each individual country. This is the integration you will see if/when the US ramps down. The EU economy is also about 15x larger than russias, and the population is about 3x. If there's a full war, Russia will lose to badly, it will embarass them for generations to come. Putin knows that. That is why he is yelling and screaming, and doing the minimum maximum he can out of fear of provoking europe to take action against him. > The nations of Europe and beyond belong to at most NATO, and Donald lied > about that. I don't know what you are talking about. Donald did however, without being president or having any official power, make the europeans step up with the funding to Nato. That shows how brilliant he is, and that you should look at what Trump does or achieves, _not_ what he says. His words are tools to create action, they are not the purpose in and of themselves. > > >> If the EU, like today, continues to suck on the US military teat, the EU >> will never develop and become a liability instead of an asset. >> > The EU is not yet a military power. It is. See above. >> The road forward is pretty clear and pretty easy. Russia will lose, his >> oligarchs will kill him, in his place, they will select someone more >> pro-west, so they can enjoy their playgrounds and yachts again, and then >> we'll continue towards prospery together with a more western oriented >> russia. >> > Well yes, but witholding military aid from Ukraine is not the way to achieve > that. It is. Let europe and ukraine handle that. >> Another option, if they insist on the crazy path, is to defang them, and >> split russia into the west, and countless little durka-durka-stans, without >> weapons and resources. Those will be left to rot, and the western half will >> join europe and open for business. > > That may well happen too, but that is not what Trump has stated he wants, nor > its it what MAGA has acted to promote. What Trump is irrelevant, what he does is relevant. > The USA had a deal with Ukraine and it has a deal with NATO. > If it turns it back on either or both, its status as the protector of the > free world disintegrates, and No European nation will support it when China > comes knocking Incorrect. The US does not have any obligations to play world police. Trump, playing this the way he does, will stimulate EU to grow and develop into a second world police. Then there will be two, instead of today, only one, which is the US. Time for EU to pay its fair share and stop free riding on the US. This is only elementary logic and common sense.
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| Date | 2024-10-14 22:33 +0000 |
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On Mon, 14 Oct 2024 21:56:08 +0200, D wrote: > The EU has plenty. You can add up the military capacity of each > individual country. This is the integration you will see if/when the US > ramps down. There is nothing in the Copenhagen criteria about having an effective military. https://www.globalfirepower.com/countries-listing-european-union.php https://www.globalfirepower.com/countries-comparison-detail.php? country1=italy&country2=france The comparison of Italy and France lists the factors they apparently consider for their power index. It's an interesting algorithm when Italy comes out the top dog. They haven't been much of a military success story since the fall of Rome.
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| Date | 2024-10-15 00:10 +0100 |
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On 14/10/2024 20:56, D wrote: > > > On Mon, 14 Oct 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > >>> I think it is important to make a difference between what Trump says >>> (in order to get conservative votes) and what Trump does. >>> >>> Trump is smart, and he of course knows that without the EU, the US >>> stands alone against the world. He will of course help the EU, but >>> most likely with far less money, and way more effectively. >>> >> He almost caused Ukraine to lose by holding up the budget. > > Incorrect. They are still doing well, and it US would have backed down, > the EU would have ramped up. What with? It has no exonomy? Its just a parasitic bureaucracy. It does notr set Eripean natins foreign policy. It juts pretends thaqt it does. > >> What Trump does will be as far as Europe is concerned, is to let >> Russia occupy Ukraine forever. > > Incorrect. Trump is pro-business, and will help EU against Russia. Don't > buy the democratic rhetoric. What Trump will _not_ do however, is to > throw billions upon billions into a black hole. That is smart, and will > benefit americans, and also, as I have explained, europeans, in the long > term. > *shakes head sadly* He is so business that when Putin lent him....well it was more than Hunter Biden anyway... He is so business that he wants to forgoe the opportunity to actually get billions in debt for defunct obsolescent hardware, he would rather write it off than sell it to Ukraine? Wake up! ALL of your politicians are working for someone. That's how they got there. >>> That will push the EU to become more militarily integrated, which >>> will in turn make the world safer and more stable. >>> >> The EU has no army navy or air force (thank god, as they are about as >> trustworthy and ambitious as Putin) > > The EU has plenty. You can add up the military capacity of each > individual country. This is the integration you will see if/when the US > ramps down. > Dont be silly. No European nation wants to put its military under EU control. That's why they are in NATO. > The EU economy is also about 15x larger than russias, and the population > is about 3x. If there's a full war, Russia will lose to badly, it will > embarass them for generations to come. > The EU HAS NO ECONOMY. It is not the United states of Europe. It is nearer the United socialist Soviet republic of Europe. A remote entity trying to recreate the USSR by having a series of puppet states. > Putin knows that. That is why he is yelling and screaming, and doing the > minimum maximum he can out of fear of provoking europe to take action > against him. > Europe is a continent. It can't take action. The EU is a bureaucracy it has nothing to take action with Only the sovereign nations of Europe can take action, and they are. FAR more than the USA Denmark and Estonia have contributed the most. Per capita. But they are small countries. The USA ranks 17th in net contributions per citizen. A miserly contribution. Even Belgium has done better, https://www.statista.com/statistics/1303450/bilateral-aid-to-ukraine-in-a-percent-of-donor-gdp/ >> The nations of Europe and beyond belong to at most NATO, and Donald >> lied about that. > > I don't know what you are talking about. Donald did however, without > being president or having any official power, make the europeans step up > with the funding to Nato. That shows how brilliant he is, and that you > should look at what Trump does or achieves, _not_ what he says. His > words are tools to create action, they are not the purpose in and of > themselves. > Oh FFFS. I cant deal with another cult member tonight. Donald is not some superman. He is just another egotistical little shit with his eye on the main chance. In the end no better than Obama. >> >> >>> If the EU, like today, continues to suck on the US military teat, the >>> EU will never develop and become a liability instead of an asset. >>> >> The EU is not yet a military power. > > It is. See above. > It is not "The European army or EU army are terms for a hypothetical army of the European Union which would supersede the Common Security and Defence Policy and would go beyond the proposed European Defence Union. Currently, there is no such army, and defence is a matter for the member states. " https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_army >>> The road forward is pretty clear and pretty easy. Russia will lose, >>> his oligarchs will kill him, in his place, they will select someone >>> more pro-west, so they can enjoy their playgrounds and yachts again, >>> and then we'll continue towards prospery together with a more western >>> oriented russia. >>> >> Well yes, but witholding military aid from Ukraine is not the way to >> achieve that. > > It is. Let europe and ukraine handle that. > Europe dioesnt exist as a country. They are already pulling way above their weight. >>> Another option, if they insist on the crazy path, is to defang them, >>> and split russia into the west, and countless little >>> durka-durka-stans, without weapons and resources. Those will be left >>> to rot, and the western half will join europe and open for business. >> >> That may well happen too, but that is not what Trump has stated he >> wants, nor its it what MAGA has acted to promote. > > What Trump is irrelevant, what he does is relevant. Exatcly. He nearly allowed Russia to win by stalling arms that had already been promised, a dirty political truck worthy of a democrat. Leaving Ukraine in the shit. > >> The USA had a deal with Ukraine and it has a deal with NATO. >> If it turns it back on either or both, its status as the protector of >> the free world disintegrates, and No European nation will support it >> when China comes knocking > > Incorrect. The US does not have any obligations to play world police. I never said that it did. But that is it status, deserved or not, > Trump, playing this the way he does, will stimulate EU to grow and > develop into a second world police. Then there will be two, instead of > today, only one, which is the US. Time for EU to pay its fair share and > stop free riding on the US. This is only elementary logic and common > sense. Christ on a bike. The EU are the second biggest threat to world peace after the Russin/Ianian NORK axis. That last thing you want is a military power run by a bunch of communist and ex communist apparatchiks. You are woefully ill informed. -- "It is an established fact to 97% confidence limits that left wing conspirators see right wing conspiracies everywhere"
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On Tue, 15 Oct 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>>> with far less money, and way more effectively. >>>> >>> He almost caused Ukraine to lose by holding up the budget. >> >> Incorrect. They are still doing well, and it US would have backed down, >> the EU would have ramped up. > > What with? It has no exonomy? > Its just a parasitic bureaucracy. > It does notr set Eripean natins foreign policy. It juts pretends thaqt it > does. The european economy is $26.64 trillion (PPP). This is proven. > >> >>> What Trump does will be as far as Europe is concerned, is to let Russia >>> occupy Ukraine forever. >> >> Incorrect. Trump is pro-business, and will help EU against Russia. Don't >> buy the democratic rhetoric. What Trump will _not_ do however, is to >> throw billions upon billions into a black hole. That is smart, and will >> benefit americans, and also, as I have explained, europeans, in the long >> term. >> > > *shakes head sadly* > > He is so business that when Putin lent him....well it was more than Hunter > Biden anyway... Exactly. The democrats are the true evil. > He is so business that he wants to forgoe the opportunity to actually get > billions in debt for defunct obsolescent hardware, he would rather write it > off than sell it to Ukraine? > > Wake up! ALL of your politicians are working for someone. That's how they got > there. Irrelevant. We look at actions. >>>> That will push the EU to become more militarily integrated, which will in >>>> turn make the world safer and more stable. >>>> >>> The EU has no army navy or air force (thank god, as they are about as >>> trustworthy and ambitious as Putin) >> >> The EU has plenty. You can add up the military capacity of each >> individual country. This is the integration you will see if/when the US >> ramps down. >> > Dont be silly. No European nation wants to put its military under EU control. > That's why they are in NATO. Europes countries can coordinate without the central EU, proven by joint Nato military exercises, and joint exercises done outside of Nato, like between sweden and finland. You seem to know very little of europe and how europe works. Are you based in the US? >> The EU economy is also about 15x larger than russias, and the population >> is about 3x. If there's a full war, Russia will lose to badly, it will >> embarass them for generations to come. >> > > The EU HAS NO ECONOMY. It is not the United states of Europe. It is nearer > the United socialist Soviet republic of Europe. A remote entity trying to > recreate the USSR by having a series of puppet states. $26.64 trillion (PPP) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_the_European_Union . Proven. > >> Putin knows that. That is why he is yelling and screaming, and doing the >> minimum maximum he can out of fear of provoking europe to take action >> against him. >> > > Europe is a continent. It can't take action. > The EU is a bureaucracy it has nothing to take action with Europe has countries which can take action. I will not write every single individual country in every single post due to your uncharitable nit picking. I do not think you are so stupid as to not be able to understand my point with me having to write each country individually? > Only the sovereign nations of Europe can take action, and they are. FAR more > than the USA Thank you. Proven. > Denmark and Estonia have contributed the most. Per capita. But they are small > countries. See above. Europe has a common market. > The USA ranks 17th in net contributions per citizen. A miserly contribution. > Even Belgium has done better, > > https://www.statista.com/statistics/1303450/bilateral-aid-to-ukraine-in-a-percent-of-donor-gdp/ Irrelevant. > >>> The nations of Europe and beyond belong to at most NATO, and Donald lied >>> about that. >> >> I don't know what you are talking about. Donald did however, without >> being president or having any official power, make the europeans step up >> with the funding to Nato. That shows how brilliant he is, and that you >> should look at what Trump does or achieves, _not_ what he says. His >> words are tools to create action, they are not the purpose in and of >> themselves. >> > Oh FFFS. I cant deal with another cult member tonight. > > Donald is not some superman. He is just another egotistical little shit with > his eye on the main chance. In the end no better than Obama. Do you have Trump Derangement Syndrome? I think it is stopping you from perceiving the world correctly. >>> >>> >>>> If the EU, like today, continues to suck on the US military teat, the EU >>>> will never develop and become a liability instead of an asset. >>>> >>> The EU is not yet a military power. >> >> It is. See above. >> > It is not It is. See above. Read carefully and repent. > "The European army or EU army are terms for a hypothetical army of the > European Union which would supersede the Common Security and Defence Policy > and would go beyond the proposed European Defence Union. Currently, there is > no such army, and defence is a matter for the member states. " > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_army Irrelevant. >>>> The road forward is pretty clear and pretty easy. Russia will lose, his >>>> oligarchs will kill him, in his place, they will select someone more >>>> pro-west, so they can enjoy their playgrounds and yachts again, and then >>>> we'll continue towards prospery together with a more western oriented >>>> russia. >>>> >>> Well yes, but witholding military aid from Ukraine is not the way to >>> achieve that. >> >> It is. Let europe and ukraine handle that. >> > > Europe dioesnt exist as a country. They are already pulling way above their > weight. Irrelevant see above. >>>> Another option, if they insist on the crazy path, is to defang them, and >>>> split russia into the west, and countless little durka-durka-stans, >>>> without weapons and resources. Those will be left to rot, and the western >>>> half will join europe and open for business. >>> >>> That may well happen too, but that is not what Trump has stated he wants, >>> nor its it what MAGA has acted to promote. >> >> What Trump is irrelevant, what he does is relevant. > > Exatcly. He nearly allowed Russia to win by stalling arms that had already > been promised, a dirty political truck worthy of a democrat. > > Leaving Ukraine in the shit. No, he is training europe to grow up and take responsibility. That is actually brilliant. >> >>> The USA had a deal with Ukraine and it has a deal with NATO. >>> If it turns it back on either or both, its status as the protector of the >>> free world disintegrates, and No European nation will support it when >>> China comes knocking >> >> Incorrect. The US does not have any obligations to play world police. > > I never said that it did. > But that is it status, deserved or not, Nope. Trump has corrected it, and will correct even more when he wins. > >> Trump, playing this the way he does, will stimulate EU to grow and >> develop into a second world police. Then there will be two, instead of >> today, only one, which is the US. Time for EU to pay its fair share and >> stop free riding on the US. This is only elementary logic and common >> sense. > > > Christ on a bike. The EU are the second biggest threat to world peace after > the Russin/Ianian NORK axis. Incorrect. > That last thing you want is a military power run by a bunch of communist and > ex communist apparatchiks. > > You are woefully ill informed. You are ill informed and it has been proven.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2024-10-15 13:20 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence |
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On 15/10/2024 09:19, D wrote: > > > On Tue, 15 Oct 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > >>>>> with far less money, and way more effectively. >>>>> >>>> He almost caused Ukraine to lose by holding up the budget. >>> >>> Incorrect. They are still doing well, and it US would have backed down, >>> the EU would have ramped up. >> >> What with? It has no exonomy? >> Its just a parasitic bureaucracy. >> It does notr set Eripean natins foreign policy. It juts pretends thaqt >> it does. > > The european economy is $26.64 trillion (PPP). This is proven. > No, that is the sum of the econimies of thge natuions tha inhabit o the continent of Europe. One of which is Russsia It us not e economy of the EU. > Exactly. The democrats are the true evil. No. The true evil is greed, lust for power and fear of loss of privilege. If you think Liberal versus Republican is evil versus good, you are already a controlled useful idiot All your politicians are belong to us. >> Wake up! ALL of your politicians are working for someone. That's how >> they got there. > > Irrelevant. We look at actions. No, it is clear you do not. Even if you think you do. Mike Johnson absolutely vilolated every norm of honorable and decent behaviors and cost thousands of lives by the disgraceful actions he took, that Trump supported. >> Dont be silly. No European nation wants to put its military under EU >> control. >> That's why they are in NATO. > > Europes countries can coordinate without the central EU, proven by joint > Nato > military exercises, and joint exercises done outside of Nato, like > between sweden and finland. > Exactly my point. EU doesnt have a military, and its members don't want it to. EU is compulsory, NATO is voluntary. > You seem to know very little of europe and how europe works. Are you > based in the US? > That was my question to you. >>> The EU economy is also about 15x larger than russias, and the population >>> is about 3x. If there's a full war, Russia will lose to badly, it will >>> embarass them for generations to come. >>> >> >> The EU HAS NO ECONOMY. It is not the United states of Europe. It is >> nearer the United socialist Soviet republic of Europe. A remote entity >> trying to recreate the USSR by having a series of puppet states. > > $26.64 trillion (PPP) > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_the_European_Union . > > Proven. > From that refeernce The 'economy of the European Union' is the joint economy of the member states of the European Union¨ I.e. it doesnt belong to the Union. And the Union has little effect on how it is generated. Youu seem to have no understanbding of European politics >> >>> Putin knows that. That is why he is yelling and screaming, and doing the >>> minimum maximum he can out of fear of provoking europe to take action >>> against him. >>> >> >> Europe is a continent. It can't take action. >> The EU is a bureaucracy it has nothing to take action with > > Europe has countries which can take action. I will not write every > single individual country in every single post due to your uncharitable > nit picking. > But it makes a huge difference. Fir example Hungary. Slovenia and almost Germany have decided to limit Ukrainian support. Other counytries who know Vlad, like Poland and Estonia, have thrown huge resources into the pot. The EU itself has done the square root of fuck all. A bit of humanitarian aid. What the EU did manage to do was co-ordinate and prepare a set of sanctions that are slow but effective. > I do not think you are so stupid as to not be able to understand my > point with me having to write each country individually? > Because there *is* no point without mentioning each country individually. The Czechs organised world wide black/grey market purchase of artillery shells from unnamed sources using money donated by various other countries, to save the day when Mike Johnson fucked Ukraine at Russias behest by blocking the support of the whole of the USA. Viktor Orban in Hungary has tried the same, but the EU is not the USA (although it would love to be) it doesn't represent the people of Europe, They have national governments. It doesn't control the defence of Europe, Individual nations in, or out of NATO or the EU, do that themselves . It doesn't even control the economies of Europe, although it tries to. It doesn't even have a single currency, though it wants to. >> Only the sovereign nations of Europe can take action, and they are. >> FAR more than the USA > > Thank you. Proven. > >> Denmark and Estonia have contributed the most. Per capita. But they >> are small countries. > > See above. Europe has a common market. > >> The USA ranks 17th in net contributions per citizen. A miserly >> contribution. >> Even Belgium has done better, >> >> https://www.statista.com/statistics/1303450/bilateral-aid-to-ukraine-in-a-percent-of-donor-gdp/ > > Irrelevant. Nto in te slightest. Europe is contributing far far more per person to this war than the miserly USA is. >> Donald is not some superman. He is just another egotistical little >> shit with his eye on the main chance. In the end no better than Obama. > > Do you have Trump Derangement Syndrome? I think it is stopping you from > perceiving the world correctly. > Better put yiur shades on an not stand behind him when he driops his pants > > It is. See above. Read carefully and repent. All your examples show exactlyt why the EU is not a nation or a miultray power as you seem to think it is. > >> "The European army or EU army are terms for a hypothetical army of the >> European Union which would supersede the Common Security and Defence >> Policy and would go beyond the proposed European Defence Union. >> Currently, there is no such army, and defence is a matter for the >> member states. " >> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_army > > Irrelevant. Totally relevant >> Europe dioesnt exist as a country. They are already pulling way above >> their weight. > > Irrelevant see above. Realebant >> Leaving Ukraine in the shit. > > No, he is training europe to grow up and take responsibility. That is > actually brilliant. > It us Europe who is taking responsibility and the Donald who is deliberately absolving himself of it preferring to simply parraot Russian propagandas (as you are) >> You are woefully ill informed. > > You are ill informed and it has been proven. Nope, It is clear you are either trolling, a trump supporter who has replaced reason with religious faith, or in Putins pocket You don't understand the politics of Russia, or of Ukraine, or of Europe or of the EU, how any of their economies are run, how their military are organised or who ultimately controls it. In fact you don't even seem to understand the politics of the USA. Except in a very childlike and unsophisticated way. Hint. The guys in the white hats are the baddies too, sometimes. -- Gun Control: The law that ensures that only criminals have guns.
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On Tue, 15 Oct 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 15/10/2024 09:19, D wrote: >> >> >> On Tue, 15 Oct 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> >>>>>> with far less money, and way more effectively. >>>>>> >>>>> He almost caused Ukraine to lose by holding up the budget. >>>> >>>> Incorrect. They are still doing well, and it US would have backed down, >>>> the EU would have ramped up. >>> >>> What with? It has no exonomy? >>> Its just a parasitic bureaucracy. >>> It does notr set Eripean natins foreign policy. It juts pretends thaqt it >>> does. >> >> The european economy is $26.64 trillion (PPP). This is proven. >> > > No, that is the sum of the econimies of thge natuions tha inhabit o the > continent of Europe. One of which is Russsia > It us not e economy of the EU. Read _carefully_, for your benefit I said _european_ not the EU. So your argument is irrelevant. >> Exactly. The democrats are the true evil. > > No. The true evil is greed, lust for power and fear of loss of privilege. > If you think Liberal versus Republican is evil versus good, you are already a > controlled useful idiot > > All your politicians are belong to us. Incorrect. In the US, in this election, democrat = bad, republican = good. This is scientifically proven. > > >>> Wake up! ALL of your politicians are working for someone. That's how they >>> got there. >> >> Irrelevant. We look at actions. > > No, it is clear you do not. Even if you think you do. Mike Johnson > absolutely vilolated every norm of honorable and decent behaviors and cost > thousands of lives by the disgraceful actions he took, that Trump supported. I'm talking about Trump, not Mike Johnson, irrelevant. > >>> Dont be silly. No European nation wants to put its military under EU >>> control. >>> That's why they are in NATO. >> >> Europes countries can coordinate without the central EU, proven by joint >> Nato >> military exercises, and joint exercises done outside of Nato, like >> between sweden and finland. >> > Exactly my point. EU doesnt have a military, and its members don't want it > to. > EU is compulsory, NATO is voluntary. Europes countries can coordinate without the central EU, proven by joint Nato military exercises, and joint exercises done outside of Nato, like between sweden and finland. > >> You seem to know very little of europe and how europe works. Are you >> based in the US? >> > > That was my question to you. Exactly. >>>> The EU economy is also about 15x larger than russias, and the population >>>> is about 3x. If there's a full war, Russia will lose to badly, it will >>>> embarass them for generations to come. >>>> >>> >>> The EU HAS NO ECONOMY. It is not the United states of Europe. It is nearer >>> the United socialist Soviet republic of Europe. A remote entity trying to >>> recreate the USSR by having a series of puppet states. >> >> $26.64 trillion (PPP) >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_the_European_Union . >> >> Proven. >> > > From that refeernce The 'economy of the European Union' is the joint economy > of the member states of the European Union¨ > > I.e. it doesnt belong to the Union. And the Union has little effect on how > it is generated. > > Youu seem to have no understanbding of European politics European, read above. Point proven and won. >>> >>>> Putin knows that. That is why he is yelling and screaming, and doing the >>>> minimum maximum he can out of fear of provoking europe to take action >>>> against him. >>>> >>> >>> Europe is a continent. It can't take action. >>> The EU is a bureaucracy it has nothing to take action with >> >> Europe has countries which can take action. I will not write every >> single individual country in every single post due to your uncharitable >> nit picking. >> > But it makes a huge difference. Fir example Hungary. Slovenia and almost > Germany have decided to limit Ukrainian support. Other counytries who know > Vlad, like Poland and Estonia, have thrown huge resources into the pot. My point still stands. You're refuted. > The EU itself has done the square root of fuck all. A bit of humanitarian > aid. We moved on. Leave it. > What the EU did manage to do was co-ordinate and prepare a set of sanctions > that are slow but effective. One step, and also, they are slow due to the US. If US stops, EU ramps up. > >> I do not think you are so stupid as to not be able to understand my >> point with me having to write each country individually? >> > Because there *is* no point without mentioning each country individually. Of course there is. Learn reading, then we discuss. > The Czechs organised world wide black/grey market purchase of artillery > shells from unnamed sources using money donated by various other countries, > to save the day when Mike Johnson fucked Ukraine at Russias behest by > blocking the support of the whole of the USA. Irrelevant to discussion. > Viktor Orban in Hungary has tried the same, but the EU is not the USA > (although it would love to be) it doesn't represent the people of Europe, > They have national governments. It doesn't control the defence of Europe, > Individual nations in, or out of NATO or the EU, do that themselves . It > doesn't even control the economies of Europe, although it tries to. > > It doesn't even have a single currency, though it wants to. See original point. Europe is already cooperating and coordinating militaryly. Within and outside Nato. > > >>> Only the sovereign nations of Europe can take action, and they are. FAR >>> more than the USA >> >> Thank you. Proven. >> >>> Denmark and Estonia have contributed the most. Per capita. But they are >>> small countries. >> >> See above. Europe has a common market. >> >>> The USA ranks 17th in net contributions per citizen. A miserly >>> contribution. >>> Even Belgium has done better, >>> >>> https://www.statista.com/statistics/1303450/bilateral-aid-to-ukraine-in-a-percent-of-donor-gdp/ >> >> Irrelevant. > > Nto in te slightest. > > Europe is contributing far far more per person to this war than the miserly > USA is. Irrelevant. It's europes problem, not USA. > >>> Donald is not some superman. He is just another egotistical little shit >>> with his eye on the main chance. In the end no better than Obama. >> >> Do you have Trump Derangement Syndrome? I think it is stopping you from >> perceiving the world correctly. >> > > Better put yiur shades on an not stand behind him when he driops his pants Irrelevant. > >> >> It is. See above. Read carefully and repent. > > All your examples show exactlyt why the EU is not a nation or a miultray > power as you seem to think it is. Read above. Learn to read. > >> >>> "The European army or EU army are terms for a hypothetical army of the >>> European Union which would supersede the Common Security and Defence >>> Policy and would go beyond the proposed European Defence Union. Currently, >>> there is no such army, and defence is a matter for the member states. " >>> >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_army >> >> Irrelevant. > > Totally relevant Irrelevant. > >>> Europe dioesnt exist as a country. They are already pulling way above >>> their weight. >> >> Irrelevant see above. > > Realebant Irrelevant. > > >>> Leaving Ukraine in the shit. >> >> No, he is training europe to grow up and take responsibility. That is >> actually brilliant. >> > > It us Europe who is taking responsibility and the Donald who is deliberately > absolving himself of it preferring to simply parraot Russian propagandas (as > you are) Nope, US has no obligation, so no absolving necessary. Your logic is flawed. > > >>> You are woefully ill informed. >> >> You are ill informed and it has been proven. > > > Nope, It is clear you are either trolling, a trump supporter who has replaced > reason with religious faith, or in Putins pocket Nope. Likewise. > You don't understand the politics of Russia, or of Ukraine, or of Europe or > of the EU, how any of their economies are run, how their military are > organised or who ultimately controls it. I understand it better than you. You seem to be coming from the socialist left, which would actually explain your lack of thinking and reading skills. > In fact you don't even seem to understand the politics of the USA. Except in > a very childlike and unsophisticated way. Incorrect. You seem to understand it in a socialist way. > Hint. The guys in the white hats are the baddies too, sometimes. Meaningless.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2024-10-14 13:55 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence |
| Message-ID | <ln4m5uF3ddfU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #59381 |
On Mon, 14 Oct 2024 11:46:03 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > The problem is that the altenative - the Doonald, will weaken the USA > globally by becoming isolationist. It won't happen but I consider that a plus point. Neither the Ukraine or Israel are US states, let alone Haiti, Somalia, and other seflf destructive third world states.
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| From | Phillip Frabott <nntp@fulltermprivacy.com> |
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| Date | 2024-10-14 13:13 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence |
| Message-ID | <vejjfc$19jod$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #59385 |
On 10/14/2024 09:55, rbowman wrote: > On Mon, 14 Oct 2024 11:46:03 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > >> The problem is that the altenative - the Doonald, will weaken the USA >> globally by becoming isolationist. > > It won't happen but I consider that a plus point. Neither the Ukraine or > Israel are US states, let alone Haiti, Somalia, and other seflf > destructive third world states. Israel doesn't really need our help because they kick ass anyways, and the Ukraine Protection deal was revoked during Obama's presidency (Which again, the democrats wanted and now they are crying about it). The US needs to do what every other country does, only get involved when it is in our best interests. If it helps us to help the EU or some other nation I'll all for it, but helping for the sake of helping with no real world benefit to the US needs to stop. So I'm right there with you. -- Phillip Frabott ---------- - Adam: Is a void really a void if it returns? - Jack: No, it's just nullspace at that point. ----------
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2024-10-14 18:42 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence |
| Message-ID | <vejl5c$19le5$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #59388 |
On 14/10/2024 18:13, Phillip Frabott wrote: > On 10/14/2024 09:55, rbowman wrote: >> On Mon, 14 Oct 2024 11:46:03 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> >>> The problem is that the altenative - the Doonald, will weaken the USA >>> globally by becoming isolationist. >> >> It won't happen but I consider that a plus point. Neither the Ukraine or >> Israel are US states, let alone Haiti, Somalia, and other seflf >> destructive third world states. > > Israel doesn't really need our help because they kick ass anyways, and > the Ukraine Protection deal was revoked during Obama's presidency (Which > again, the democrats wanted and now they are crying about it). > > The US needs to do what every other country does, only get involved when > it is in our best interests. If it helps us to help the EU or some other > nation The EU is not a nation. It is an overweight and pompous bureaucracy with no army, no navy, no air force, and no economy If it disappeared tomorrow EEuropoe would be a better place I'll all for it, but helping for the sake of helping with no real > world benefit to the US needs to stop. > It is absolutely for your benefit You have to be gullible to think that it isn't -- The New Left are the people they warned you about.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2024-10-14 18:39 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence |
| Message-ID | <vejl0e$19le5$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #59385 |
On 14/10/2024 14:55, rbowman wrote: > On Mon, 14 Oct 2024 11:46:03 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > >> The problem is that the altenative - the Doonald, will weaken the USA >> globally by becoming isolationist. > > It won't happen but I consider that a plus point. Neither the Ukraine or > Israel are US states, let alone Haiti, Somalia, and other seflf > destructive third world states. They are not self destructive. USA is already under attack from the modern 'axis of evil' . Jealous of its power and wealth every single Russian Kleptocrat or Islamic theocrat hates and fears America, and are *actively * seeking its destruction. How many 'movements' and 'woke memes originate in Moscow or Tehran? If you want to elect the 'Manchurian candidate' don't expect me to sympathise when the rest of the world turns its back on the USA. That doesn't mean I support the wimpy wet Kamala. It's just that she represents slightly less direct threat to the USA and the nations of Europe, Canada, Australia, who didn't hold back when Japan fucked you over. It's clear Trump owes Mr Putin something. And its payback time. I don't want Putin running the USA like it was Chechnya. -- "Corbyn talks about equality, justice, opportunity, health care, peace, community, compassion, investment, security, housing...." "What kind of person is not interested in those things?" "Jeremy Corbyn?"
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| From | D <nospam@example.net> |
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| Date | 2024-10-14 21:57 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence |
| Message-ID | <7b513ef9-ec50-9995-478a-c4ee6c443925@example.net> |
| In reply to | #59390 |
On Mon, 14 Oct 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 14/10/2024 14:55, rbowman wrote: >> On Mon, 14 Oct 2024 11:46:03 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> >>> The problem is that the altenative - the Doonald, will weaken the USA >>> globally by becoming isolationist. >> >> It won't happen but I consider that a plus point. Neither the Ukraine or >> Israel are US states, let alone Haiti, Somalia, and other seflf >> destructive third world states. > They are not self destructive. > USA is already under attack from the modern 'axis of evil' . Jealous of its > power and wealth every single Russian Kleptocrat or Islamic theocrat hates > and fears America, and are *actively * seeking its destruction. How many > 'movements' and 'woke memes originate in Moscow or Tehran? > > If you want to elect the 'Manchurian candidate' don't expect me to sympathise > when the rest of the world turns its back on the USA. > That doesn't mean I support the wimpy wet Kamala. It's just that she > represents slightly less direct threat to the USA and the nations of Europe, > Canada, Australia, who didn't hold back when Japan fucked you over. > It's clear Trump owes Mr Putin something. And its payback time. I don't want > Putin running the USA like it was Chechnya. > They have wanted that the past 50 years, and have not achieved anything. That testifies to the incompetence and weakness of the enemy, and the brilliance of the US, _despite_ the democrat party.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2024-10-15 00:11 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence |
| Message-ID | <vek8fe$1cc39$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #59394 |
On 14/10/2024 20:57, D wrote: > They have wanted that the past 50 years, and have not achieved anything. > That testifies to the incompetence and weakness of the enemy, and the > brilliance of the US, _despite_ the democrat party. You poor sucker. You have no idea. -- “Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.” H.L. Mencken, A Mencken Chrestomathy
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| From | D <nospam@example.net> |
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| Date | 2024-10-15 10:12 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence |
| Message-ID | <6e0cf977-ecec-40f8-34c4-87ffe4291306@example.net> |
| In reply to | #59403 |
On Tue, 15 Oct 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 14/10/2024 20:57, D wrote: >> They have wanted that the past 50 years, and have not achieved anything. >> That testifies to the incompetence and weakness of the enemy, and the >> brilliance of the US, _despite_ the democrat party. > > You poor sucker. You have no idea. > Incorrect. Actually I know this better than you.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2024-10-14 21:29 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence |
| Message-ID | <ln5gqbF7bp8U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #59390 |
On Mon, 14 Oct 2024 18:39:25 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > I don't > want Putin running the USA like it was Chechnya. Better Putin than Soros.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2024-10-15 00:12 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence |
| Message-ID | <vek8h9$1cc39$5@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #59398 |
On 14/10/2024 22:29, rbowman wrote: > On Mon, 14 Oct 2024 18:39:25 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > >> I don't >> want Putin running the USA like it was Chechnya. > > Better Putin than Soros. Phew. That you could say that is the most frightening thing I have heard. -- “Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.” H.L. Mencken, A Mencken Chrestomathy
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