Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence

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On Mon, 14 Oct 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

>> I think it is important to make a difference between what Trump says (in 
>> order to get conservative votes) and what Trump does.
>> 
>> Trump is smart, and he of course knows that without the EU, the US stands 
>> alone against the world. He will of course help the EU, but most likely 
>> with far less money, and way more effectively.
>> 
> He almost caused Ukraine to lose by holding up the budget.

Incorrect. They are still doing well, and it US would have backed down,
the EU would have ramped up.

> What Trump  does will be as far as Europe is concerned, is to let Russia 
> occupy Ukraine forever.

Incorrect. Trump is pro-business, and will help EU against Russia. Don't
buy the democratic rhetoric. What Trump will _not_ do however, is to
throw billions upon billions into a black hole. That is smart, and will
benefit americans, and also, as I have explained, europeans, in the long
term.

>> That will push the EU to become more militarily integrated, which will in 
>> turn make the world safer and more stable.
>> 
> The EU has no army navy or air force (thank god, as they are about as 
> trustworthy and ambitious as Putin)

The EU has plenty. You can add up the military capacity of each
individual country. This is the integration you will see if/when the US
ramps down.

The EU economy is also about 15x larger than russias, and the population
is about 3x. If there's a full war, Russia will lose to badly, it will
embarass them for generations to come.

Putin knows that. That is why he is yelling and screaming, and doing the
minimum maximum he can out of fear of provoking europe to take action
against him.

> The nations of Europe and beyond belong to at most NATO, and Donald lied 
> about that.

I don't know what you are talking about. Donald did however, without
being president or having any official power, make the europeans step up
with the funding to Nato. That shows how brilliant he is, and that you
should look at what Trump does or achieves, _not_ what he says. His
words are tools to create action, they are not the purpose in and of
themselves.

>
>
>> If the EU, like today, continues to suck on the US military teat, the EU 
>> will never develop and become a liability instead of an asset.
>> 
> The EU is not yet a military power.

It is. See above.

>> The road forward is pretty clear and pretty easy. Russia will lose, his 
>> oligarchs will kill him, in his place, they will select someone more 
>> pro-west, so they can enjoy their playgrounds and yachts again, and then 
>> we'll continue towards prospery together with a more western oriented 
>> russia.
>> 
> Well yes, but witholding military aid from Ukraine is not the way to achieve 
> that.

It is. Let europe and ukraine handle that.

>> Another option, if they insist on the crazy path, is to defang them, and 
>> split russia into the west, and countless little durka-durka-stans, without 
>> weapons and resources. Those will be left to rot, and the western half will 
>> join europe and open for business.
>
> That may well happen too, but that is not what Trump has stated he wants, nor 
> its it what MAGA has acted to promote.

What Trump is irrelevant, what he does is relevant.

> The USA had a deal with Ukraine and it has a deal with NATO.
> If it turns it back on either or both, its status as the protector of the 
> free world disintegrates, and  No European nation will support it when China 
> comes knocking

Incorrect. The US does not have any obligations to play world police.
Trump, playing this the way he does, will stimulate EU to grow and
develop into a second world police. Then there will be two, instead of
today, only one, which is the US. Time for EU to pay its fair share and
stop free riding on the US. This is only elementary logic and common
sense.

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                Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-14 11:46 +0100
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                Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-15 13:20 +0100
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                Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-11 18:36 +0000
                Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-11 22:00 +0200
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                Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence Phillip Frabott <nntp@fulltermprivacy.com> - 2024-10-12 12:43 -0400
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                Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-13 11:50 +0200
                Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-13 13:04 +0100
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