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| From | D <nospam@example.net> |
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| Newsgroups | comp.os.linux.misc |
| Subject | Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence |
| Date | 2024-10-15 22:21 +0200 |
| Organization | i2pn2 (i2pn.org) |
| Message-ID | <614530a4-16cf-438a-ee59-21ddea50b285@example.net> (permalink) |
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On Tue, 15 Oct 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 15/10/2024 09:19, D wrote: >> >> >> On Tue, 15 Oct 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> >>>>>> with far less money, and way more effectively. >>>>>> >>>>> He almost caused Ukraine to lose by holding up the budget. >>>> >>>> Incorrect. They are still doing well, and it US would have backed down, >>>> the EU would have ramped up. >>> >>> What with? It has no exonomy? >>> Its just a parasitic bureaucracy. >>> It does notr set Eripean natins foreign policy. It juts pretends thaqt it >>> does. >> >> The european economy is $26.64 trillion (PPP). This is proven. >> > > No, that is the sum of the econimies of thge natuions tha inhabit o the > continent of Europe. One of which is Russsia > It us not e economy of the EU. Read _carefully_, for your benefit I said _european_ not the EU. So your argument is irrelevant. >> Exactly. The democrats are the true evil. > > No. The true evil is greed, lust for power and fear of loss of privilege. > If you think Liberal versus Republican is evil versus good, you are already a > controlled useful idiot > > All your politicians are belong to us. Incorrect. In the US, in this election, democrat = bad, republican = good. This is scientifically proven. > > >>> Wake up! ALL of your politicians are working for someone. That's how they >>> got there. >> >> Irrelevant. We look at actions. > > No, it is clear you do not. Even if you think you do. Mike Johnson > absolutely vilolated every norm of honorable and decent behaviors and cost > thousands of lives by the disgraceful actions he took, that Trump supported. I'm talking about Trump, not Mike Johnson, irrelevant. > >>> Dont be silly. No European nation wants to put its military under EU >>> control. >>> That's why they are in NATO. >> >> Europes countries can coordinate without the central EU, proven by joint >> Nato >> military exercises, and joint exercises done outside of Nato, like >> between sweden and finland. >> > Exactly my point. EU doesnt have a military, and its members don't want it > to. > EU is compulsory, NATO is voluntary. Europes countries can coordinate without the central EU, proven by joint Nato military exercises, and joint exercises done outside of Nato, like between sweden and finland. > >> You seem to know very little of europe and how europe works. Are you >> based in the US? >> > > That was my question to you. Exactly. >>>> The EU economy is also about 15x larger than russias, and the population >>>> is about 3x. If there's a full war, Russia will lose to badly, it will >>>> embarass them for generations to come. >>>> >>> >>> The EU HAS NO ECONOMY. It is not the United states of Europe. It is nearer >>> the United socialist Soviet republic of Europe. A remote entity trying to >>> recreate the USSR by having a series of puppet states. >> >> $26.64 trillion (PPP) >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_the_European_Union . >> >> Proven. >> > > From that refeernce The 'economy of the European Union' is the joint economy > of the member states of the European Union¨ > > I.e. it doesnt belong to the Union. And the Union has little effect on how > it is generated. > > Youu seem to have no understanbding of European politics European, read above. Point proven and won. >>> >>>> Putin knows that. That is why he is yelling and screaming, and doing the >>>> minimum maximum he can out of fear of provoking europe to take action >>>> against him. >>>> >>> >>> Europe is a continent. It can't take action. >>> The EU is a bureaucracy it has nothing to take action with >> >> Europe has countries which can take action. I will not write every >> single individual country in every single post due to your uncharitable >> nit picking. >> > But it makes a huge difference. Fir example Hungary. Slovenia and almost > Germany have decided to limit Ukrainian support. Other counytries who know > Vlad, like Poland and Estonia, have thrown huge resources into the pot. My point still stands. You're refuted. > The EU itself has done the square root of fuck all. A bit of humanitarian > aid. We moved on. Leave it. > What the EU did manage to do was co-ordinate and prepare a set of sanctions > that are slow but effective. One step, and also, they are slow due to the US. If US stops, EU ramps up. > >> I do not think you are so stupid as to not be able to understand my >> point with me having to write each country individually? >> > Because there *is* no point without mentioning each country individually. Of course there is. Learn reading, then we discuss. > The Czechs organised world wide black/grey market purchase of artillery > shells from unnamed sources using money donated by various other countries, > to save the day when Mike Johnson fucked Ukraine at Russias behest by > blocking the support of the whole of the USA. Irrelevant to discussion. > Viktor Orban in Hungary has tried the same, but the EU is not the USA > (although it would love to be) it doesn't represent the people of Europe, > They have national governments. It doesn't control the defence of Europe, > Individual nations in, or out of NATO or the EU, do that themselves . It > doesn't even control the economies of Europe, although it tries to. > > It doesn't even have a single currency, though it wants to. See original point. Europe is already cooperating and coordinating militaryly. Within and outside Nato. > > >>> Only the sovereign nations of Europe can take action, and they are. FAR >>> more than the USA >> >> Thank you. Proven. >> >>> Denmark and Estonia have contributed the most. Per capita. But they are >>> small countries. >> >> See above. Europe has a common market. >> >>> The USA ranks 17th in net contributions per citizen. A miserly >>> contribution. >>> Even Belgium has done better, >>> >>> https://www.statista.com/statistics/1303450/bilateral-aid-to-ukraine-in-a-percent-of-donor-gdp/ >> >> Irrelevant. > > Nto in te slightest. > > Europe is contributing far far more per person to this war than the miserly > USA is. Irrelevant. It's europes problem, not USA. > >>> Donald is not some superman. He is just another egotistical little shit >>> with his eye on the main chance. In the end no better than Obama. >> >> Do you have Trump Derangement Syndrome? I think it is stopping you from >> perceiving the world correctly. >> > > Better put yiur shades on an not stand behind him when he driops his pants Irrelevant. > >> >> It is. See above. Read carefully and repent. > > All your examples show exactlyt why the EU is not a nation or a miultray > power as you seem to think it is. Read above. Learn to read. > >> >>> "The European army or EU army are terms for a hypothetical army of the >>> European Union which would supersede the Common Security and Defence >>> Policy and would go beyond the proposed European Defence Union. Currently, >>> there is no such army, and defence is a matter for the member states. " >>> >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_army >> >> Irrelevant. > > Totally relevant Irrelevant. > >>> Europe dioesnt exist as a country. They are already pulling way above >>> their weight. >> >> Irrelevant see above. > > Realebant Irrelevant. > > >>> Leaving Ukraine in the shit. >> >> No, he is training europe to grow up and take responsibility. That is >> actually brilliant. >> > > It us Europe who is taking responsibility and the Donald who is deliberately > absolving himself of it preferring to simply parraot Russian propagandas (as > you are) Nope, US has no obligation, so no absolving necessary. Your logic is flawed. > > >>> You are woefully ill informed. >> >> You are ill informed and it has been proven. > > > Nope, It is clear you are either trolling, a trump supporter who has replaced > reason with religious faith, or in Putins pocket Nope. Likewise. > You don't understand the politics of Russia, or of Ukraine, or of Europe or > of the EU, how any of their economies are run, how their military are > organised or who ultimately controls it. I understand it better than you. You seem to be coming from the socialist left, which would actually explain your lack of thinking and reading skills. > In fact you don't even seem to understand the politics of the USA. Except in > a very childlike and unsophisticated way. Incorrect. You seem to understand it in a socialist way. > Hint. The guys in the white hats are the baddies too, sometimes. Meaningless.
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