Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence

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On Tue, 15 Oct 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

>>>> with far less money, and way more effectively.
>>>> 
>>> He almost caused Ukraine to lose by holding up the budget.
>> 
>> Incorrect. They are still doing well, and it US would have backed down,
>> the EU would have ramped up.
>
> What with? It has no exonomy?
> Its just a parasitic bureaucracy.
> It does notr set Eripean natins foreign policy. It juts pretends thaqt it 
> does.

The european economy is $26.64 trillion (PPP). This is proven.

>
>> 
>>> What Trump  does will be as far as Europe is concerned, is to let Russia 
>>> occupy Ukraine forever.
>> 
>> Incorrect. Trump is pro-business, and will help EU against Russia. Don't
>> buy the democratic rhetoric. What Trump will _not_ do however, is to
>> throw billions upon billions into a black hole. That is smart, and will
>> benefit americans, and also, as I have explained, europeans, in the long
>> term.
>> 
>
> *shakes head sadly*
>
> He is so business that when Putin lent him....well it was more than Hunter 
> Biden anyway...

Exactly. The democrats are the true evil.

> He is so business that he wants to forgoe the opportunity to actually get 
> billions in debt for defunct obsolescent hardware, he would rather write it 
> off than sell it to Ukraine?
>
> Wake up! ALL of your politicians are working for someone. That's how they got 
> there.

Irrelevant. We look at actions.

>>>> That will push the EU to become more militarily integrated, which will in 
>>>> turn make the world safer and more stable.
>>>> 
>>> The EU has no army navy or air force (thank god, as they are about as 
>>> trustworthy and ambitious as Putin)
>> 
>> The EU has plenty. You can add up the military capacity of each
>> individual country. This is the integration you will see if/when the US
>> ramps down.
>> 
> Dont be silly. No European nation wants to put its military under EU control.
> That's why they are in NATO.

Europes countries can coordinate without the central EU, proven by joint Nato
military exercises, and joint exercises done outside of Nato, like
between sweden and finland.

You seem to know very little of europe and how europe works. Are you
based in the US?

>> The EU economy is also about 15x larger than russias, and the population
>> is about 3x. If there's a full war, Russia will lose to badly, it will
>> embarass them for generations to come.
>> 
>
> The EU HAS NO ECONOMY. It is not the United states of Europe. It is nearer 
> the United socialist Soviet republic of Europe. A remote entity trying to 
> recreate the USSR by having a series of puppet states.

$26.64 trillion (PPP)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_the_European_Union .

Proven.

>
>> Putin knows that. That is why he is yelling and screaming, and doing the
>> minimum maximum he can out of fear of provoking europe to take action
>> against him.
>> 
>
> Europe is a continent. It can't take action.
> The EU is a bureaucracy it has nothing to take action with

Europe has countries which can take action. I will not write every
single individual country in every single post due to your uncharitable
nit picking.

I do not think you are so stupid as to not be able to understand my
point with me having to write each country individually?

> Only the sovereign nations of Europe can take action, and they are. FAR more 
> than the USA

Thank you. Proven.

> Denmark and Estonia have contributed the most. Per capita. But they are small 
> countries.

See above. Europe has a common market.

> The USA ranks 17th in net contributions per citizen. A miserly contribution.
> Even Belgium has done better,
>
> https://www.statista.com/statistics/1303450/bilateral-aid-to-ukraine-in-a-percent-of-donor-gdp/

Irrelevant.

>
>>> The nations of Europe and beyond belong to at most NATO, and Donald lied 
>>> about that.
>> 
>> I don't know what you are talking about. Donald did however, without
>> being president or having any official power, make the europeans step up
>> with the funding to Nato. That shows how brilliant he is, and that you
>> should look at what Trump does or achieves, _not_ what he says. His
>> words are tools to create action, they are not the purpose in and of
>> themselves.
>> 
> Oh FFFS. I cant deal with another cult member tonight.
>
> Donald is not some superman. He is just another egotistical little shit with 
> his eye on the main chance. In the end no better than Obama.

Do you have Trump Derangement Syndrome? I think it is stopping you from
perceiving the world correctly.

>>> 
>>> 
>>>> If the EU, like today, continues to suck on the US military teat, the EU 
>>>> will never develop and become a liability instead of an asset.
>>>> 
>>> The EU is not yet a military power.
>> 
>> It is. See above.
>> 
> It is not

It is. See above. Read carefully and repent.

> "The European army or EU army are terms for a hypothetical army of the 
> European Union which would supersede the Common Security and Defence Policy 
> and would go beyond the proposed European Defence Union. Currently, there is 
> no such army, and defence is a matter for the member states. "
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_army

Irrelevant.

>>>> The road forward is pretty clear and pretty easy. Russia will lose, his 
>>>> oligarchs will kill him, in his place, they will select someone more 
>>>> pro-west, so they can enjoy their playgrounds and yachts again, and then 
>>>> we'll continue towards prospery together with a more western oriented 
>>>> russia.
>>>> 
>>> Well yes, but witholding military aid from Ukraine is not the way to 
>>> achieve that.
>> 
>> It is. Let europe and ukraine handle that.
>> 
>
> Europe dioesnt exist as a country. They are already pulling way above their 
> weight.

Irrelevant see above.

>>>> Another option, if they insist on the crazy path, is to defang them, and 
>>>> split russia into the west, and countless little durka-durka-stans, 
>>>> without weapons and resources. Those will be left to rot, and the western 
>>>> half will join europe and open for business.
>>> 
>>> That may well happen too, but that is not what Trump has stated he wants, 
>>> nor its it what MAGA has acted to promote.
>> 
>> What Trump is irrelevant, what he does is relevant.
>
> Exatcly. He nearly allowed Russia to win by stalling arms that had already 
> been promised, a dirty political truck worthy of a democrat.
>
> Leaving Ukraine in the shit.

No, he is training europe to grow up and take responsibility. That is
actually brilliant.

>> 
>>> The USA had a deal with Ukraine and it has a deal with NATO.
>>> If it turns it back on either or both, its status as the protector of the 
>>> free world disintegrates, and  No European nation will support it when 
>>> China comes knocking
>> 
>> Incorrect. The US does not have any obligations to play world police.
>
> I never said that it did.
> But that is it status, deserved or not,

Nope. Trump has corrected it, and will correct even more when he wins.

>
>> Trump, playing this the way he does, will stimulate EU to grow and
>> develop into a second world police. Then there will be two, instead of
>> today, only one, which is the US. Time for EU to pay its fair share and
>> stop free riding on the US. This is only elementary logic and common
>> sense.
>
>
> Christ on a bike. The EU are the second biggest threat to world peace after 
> the  Russin/Ianian NORK axis.

Incorrect.

> That last thing you want is a military power run by a bunch of communist and 
> ex communist apparatchiks.
>
> You are woefully ill informed.

You are ill informed and it has been proven.

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