Re: COBOL and tricks

From	The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Newsgroups	alt.folklore.computers, comp.os.linux.misc
Subject	Re: COBOL and tricks
Date	2022-08-06 02:15 +0100
Organization	A little, after lunch
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On 05/08/2022 04:29, 25B.Z969 wrote:
> On 8/4/22 11:23 AM, Peter Flass wrote:
>> 25B.Z969 <25B.Z969@noda.net> wrote:
>>> On 8/3/22 9:41 AM, Lew Pitcher wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 03 Aug 2022 01:07:52 -0400, 25B.Z969 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 8/2/22 3:09 PM, Rich Alderson wrote:
>>>>>> scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) writes:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> writes:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Do you have something against those hardware geeks
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't know what you're talking about.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's OK, Scott, neither does he.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh, one of THOSE too I see ....   :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> No hardware, no programs. It's all one thing
>>>>> bottom to top to bottom. Babbage would have
>>>>> got it ...
>>>>
>>>> Lack of hardware did not stop Lady Ada Lovelace
>>>> from writing programs for Charles Babbage's
>>>> (never-built) "Analytical Engine"
>>>
>>>    Programs that DID nothing ...... just abstractions,
>>>    short 'stories' to amuse a non-existent audience.
>>>
>>>    These days the MONEY is in them DOING STUFF.
>>>
>>>    I won't knock Babbage - he DID have it right, just
>>>    lacked decent hardware. Lovelace saw it's possibilities
>>>    even more than Babbage. Alas it was all for naught,
>>>    an 'intellectual excercise' ........
>>>
>>>    Jobs or Woz ? I'll pick Woz - HE made it WORK.
>>>
>>>    Yer tofu-burger relies on a VAST chain - from
>>>    miners and geologists and farm-gurus to metallurgists
>>>    and engineers who made possible the engines for the
>>>    harvesters/processors/transport all the way on up
>>>    to the COBOL handling the cash transactions. It's
>>>    an INTEGRATED SYSTEM from one end to the other, all
>>>    the SAME THING, different parts of the SAME ANIMAL.
>>>    Can't remove any of the steps or it all falls apart.
>>>
>>>    Maybe that Big Picture isn't so "important" ... well ...
>>>    until one of those links in the chain fails .......
>>>
>>>    I hear GM now has over 100,000 vehicles just SITTING in
>>>    storage because one link in their chain failed - can't
>>>    get a few kinds of MPUs and sensor devices. I urged them
>>>    to go back to analog ..... everybody seems *shocked* at
>>>    the suggestion ... why, autos were IMPOSSIBLE before
>>>    digital ya know  :-)
>>>
>>>    Oh well, THINK about it. One day ......
>>>
>>
>> There are too many things you need digital for, from anti-lock brakes to
>> engine control.
> 
> 
>    I drove cars for decades that didn't have those "luxury
>    features" ...... they got you from A to B just fine,
>    they WORKED, they could be MADE, SOLD and BOUGHT.
> 
> 
>> Apparently it’s impossible to meet current emission-control
>> standards without computers. 
> 
>    So change those standards. Just takes a few pen-strokes
>    from the right people - THAT simple. Actually with computer
>    sims, much more efficient carburetors or mechanical injectors
>    systems could be designed quickly - "less perfect" than digital,
>    but not bad at all and NOT dependent on tech imported from
>    enemy/vulnerable nations. The proverbial '57 Chevy was the
>    right idea - but, given the times, not refined quite enough.
> 
>> As one who has spent time doing a tune-up on
>> an “analog” engine, I think the current situation is much better. No 
>> more fooling around with setting points, etc. 
> 
>    You really don't even need "points" - Google "magneto
>    ignition". All small aircraft have TWO of them ...
>    each wired to a different set of spark plugs. You are
>    supposed to test each of them before take-off.
> 
A magneto uses 'points', as well as an internal coil

All it is is a standard coil system with an inbuilt generator to replace 
the battery



> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBEsrpSVFVY
> 
> https://mechanicaljungle.com/magneto-ignition/
> 
>    Modern magnetics can deliver a sharper, more robust spark
>    than the old AlNiCo or iron magnets.
> 
>    Points/Distributors were invented because it was a little
>    bit easier to vary the spark according to RPM and load
>    conditions ... and you only needed 12volts and not an
>    entire magneto - about the size of a small alternator.
>    Yer lawnmower probably uses magneto ignition - it's
>    just a magnet fitted into the flywheel that whizzes
>    past a little coil. All very low-tech. No Chinese
>    chips required.
> 
My lawnmower uses an electronic ignition.

Its simply more relatable

>    So it CAN be done, and WAS done for 100 years.


-- 
“Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit 
atrocities.”

― Voltaire, Questions sur les Miracles à M. Claparede, Professeur de 
Théologie à Genève, par un Proposant: Ou Extrait de Diverses Lettres de 
M. de Voltaire

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                Re: COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-07-23 21:48 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-24 00:07 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks Allodoxaphobia <trepidation@example.net> - 2022-07-23 23:50 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-24 01:31 -0400
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                Re: COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-07-26 20:43 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> - 2022-07-26 21:53 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-07-26 22:21 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-26 22:45 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-07-27 18:10 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-31 22:35 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks Charles Richmond <codescott@aquaporin4.com> - 2022-10-28 02:37 -0500
                Re: COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-10-28 22:16 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> - 2022-10-30 20:47 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2022-10-30 22:18 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2022-10-30 14:20 -1000
                Re: COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-10-31 14:43 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-10-31 09:37 -0700
                Re: COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-07-26 13:57 -0700
                Re: COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-07-27 18:10 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Charles Richmond <codescott@aquaporin4.com> - 2022-10-28 02:43 -0500
                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-26 22:32 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-07-27 13:51 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-07-27 18:10 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Charles Richmond <codescott@aquaporin4.com> - 2022-10-28 02:24 -0500
                Re: COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-10-28 13:41 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-07-26 20:43 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-07-26 13:57 -0700
                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-26 22:57 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks drb@ihatespam.msu.edu (Dennis Boone) - 2022-07-27 14:49 -0500
                Re: COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-07-27 21:28 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks Charles Richmond <codescott@aquaporin4.com> - 2022-10-28 02:52 -0500
                Re: COBOL and tricks Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2022-10-28 09:45 -0600
                Re: COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-07-27 11:39 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> - 2022-07-26 21:52 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-07-26 22:26 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2022-07-31 13:38 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Charles Richmond <codescott@aquaporin4.com> - 2022-10-28 02:59 -0500
                Re: COBOL and tricks Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> - 2022-07-31 21:27 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-07-31 18:05 -0700
                Re: COBOL and tricks John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2022-08-01 02:05 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Charles Richmond <codescott@aquaporin4.com> - 2022-10-28 03:09 -0500
                Re: COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-10-28 11:26 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-10-28 22:17 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2022-10-29 19:09 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-10-29 15:43 -0700
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-10-30 15:55 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2022-10-30 21:07 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-10-30 15:53 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-10-30 10:24 -0700
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2022-10-30 19:15 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2022-10-31 18:41 -0400
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-10-31 23:56 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-01 07:59 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-11-01 13:42 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charles Richmond <codescott@aquaporin4.com> - 2022-11-01 10:00 -0500
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2022-11-01 14:50 -0400
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Ted Heise <theise@panix.com> - 2022-11-02 18:02 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-11-01 19:14 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-11-01 19:36 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2022-11-02 15:02 -0400
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-02 11:32 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-11-01 19:14 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2022-11-01 21:30 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-11-01 22:31 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-02 11:40 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-02 11:28 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-11-02 09:56 -0700
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-11-02 17:21 +0000
                Re: genders, self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2022-11-02 17:37 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-11-02 18:05 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-04 08:20 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-11-04 17:35 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> - 2022-11-05 09:01 -0500
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-03 09:05 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-11-02 17:21 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-03 09:08 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-11-03 07:34 -0700
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-11-03 16:34 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-11-03 10:56 -0700
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-04 09:00 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-11-04 17:35 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-04 08:59 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks drb@ihatespam.msu.edu (Dennis Boone) - 2022-11-01 16:43 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Andy Walker <anw@cuboid.co.uk> - 2022-11-01 19:26 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-02 11:38 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-11-02 09:56 -0700
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-11-02 17:21 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2022-11-02 17:22 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charles Richmond <codescott@aquaporin4.com> - 2022-11-04 14:15 -0500
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-11-04 20:23 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-11-02 17:21 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-03 09:11 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charles Richmond <codescott@aquaporin4.com> - 2022-11-04 14:28 -0500
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-01 07:55 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> - 2022-11-01 09:52 -0500
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-02 11:25 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-11-02 09:56 -0700
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2022-11-02 16:17 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-11-02 17:21 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2022-11-02 17:43 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-11-02 18:09 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-11-03 04:39 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2022-11-03 10:01 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2022-11-03 11:24 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-11-02 13:54 -0700
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2022-11-02 21:10 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-11-02 15:59 -0700
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2022-11-02 22:03 -0400
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2022-11-02 15:33 -0300
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-11-02 20:19 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-11-02 13:54 -0700
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-11-03 04:39 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2022-11-03 06:43 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2022-11-03 06:34 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-11-03 17:59 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charles Richmond <codescott@aquaporin4.com> - 2022-11-04 14:52 -0500
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-11-04 20:23 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2022-10-29 19:23 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-31 21:54 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2022-08-01 15:56 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-08-01 22:59 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2022-08-02 09:42 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-08-02 09:23 -0700
                Re: COBOL and tricks Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2022-07-25 13:37 +0200
                Re: COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-07-25 14:13 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2022-07-25 19:42 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2022-07-26 10:48 +0200
                Re: COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-07-26 10:40 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2022-07-26 14:13 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-07-26 15:10 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-07-26 14:41 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2022-07-26 15:52 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-07-26 16:20 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2022-07-26 16:48 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-07-26 16:17 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> - 2022-07-26 21:58 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-07-26 22:19 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-07-27 18:10 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-07-26 13:49 -0700
                Re: COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-07-26 13:49 -0700
                Re: COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-07-26 22:20 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-08-02 01:59 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-07-26 16:12 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks Andy Walker <anw@cuboid.co.uk> - 2022-07-26 17:53 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-07-27 11:36 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-07-27 12:28 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-07-27 18:50 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks Andy Walker <anw@cuboid.co.uk> - 2022-07-27 13:01 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-07-27 19:09 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2022-07-27 14:20 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-07-27 19:10 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-07-27 15:19 -0700
                Re: COBOL and tricks Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2022-07-26 19:34 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2022-07-26 07:44 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-07-26 20:43 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2022-07-26 20:15 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-07-27 13:48 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2022-07-27 10:14 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-07-27 15:20 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-07-27 15:19 -0700
                Re: COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-07-26 13:49 -0700
                Re: COBOL and tricks Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2022-07-26 20:25 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-27 23:00 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2022-07-28 07:01 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-07-28 15:10 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-07-28 18:11 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-07-29 13:02 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-31 22:40 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-07-28 12:13 -0700
                Re: COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-07-29 13:03 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-07-29 15:23 -0700
                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-31 23:23 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks D.J. <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2022-08-01 09:45 -0500
                Re: COBOL and tricks Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2022-08-01 14:50 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2022-08-01 14:51 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2022-08-01 14:18 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2022-08-01 18:38 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2022-08-01 20:55 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-08-01 12:22 -0700
                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-08-02 01:21 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-08-01 15:40 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2022-08-01 16:07 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2022-08-01 14:15 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2022-08-01 19:47 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2022-08-01 15:58 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-08-01 18:53 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-08-01 20:41 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks Charles Richmond <codescott@aquaporin4.com> - 2022-10-28 03:44 -0500
                Re: COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-10-28 11:30 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> - 2022-10-28 13:52 -0500
                Re: COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-08-01 12:22 -0700
                Re: COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-08-01 12:22 -0700
                Re: COBOL and tricks D.J. <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2022-08-02 11:05 -0500
                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-08-02 01:05 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks D.J. <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2022-08-02 11:12 -0500
                Re: COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-08-02 09:29 -0700
                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z969" <25B.Z969@noda.net> - 2022-08-03 00:42 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z969" <25B.Z969@noda.net> - 2022-08-02 23:47 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-08-02 09:23 -0700
                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z969" <25B.Z969@noda.net> - 2022-08-03 00:51 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-08-01 12:22 -0700
                Re: COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-08-01 20:48 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-08-01 19:11 -0700
                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-08-02 01:54 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks Charles Richmond <codescott@aquaporin4.com> - 2022-10-29 07:46 -0500
                Re: COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-10-29 15:49 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-10-29 15:43 -0700
                Re: COBOL and tricks Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2022-10-30 03:35 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2022-10-30 09:41 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-07-26 13:49 -0700
                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-27 22:48 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks Alan Bowler <atbowler@thinkage.ca> - 2022-09-13 19:56 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-09-14 14:05 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-27 21:37 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-07-28 13:02 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-28 23:40 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-07-29 15:54 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-31 23:47 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks drb@ihatespam.msu.edu (Dennis Boone) - 2022-07-29 17:02 -0500
                Re: COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-07-28 12:13 -0700
                Re: COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-07-28 19:49 +0000
                Re: ancient I/O, was COBOL and tricks John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2022-07-29 18:37 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2022-07-28 16:35 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-07-28 17:52 -0700
                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-29 00:23 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks cb@elaine.df.lth.se (Christian Brunschen) - 2022-07-29 09:15 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2022-07-29 08:13 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-29 23:57 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2022-07-30 08:13 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-07-30 15:04 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-30 21:07 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks D.J. <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2022-07-31 12:55 -0500
                Re: COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-07-31 19:32 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2022-07-31 19:13 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2022-07-31 16:45 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-08-01 00:38 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-08-01 08:09 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-08-01 11:02 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-08-01 12:02 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-08-01 17:35 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-08-01 18:06 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-08-01 19:05 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-08-01 12:22 -0700
                Re: COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-08-01 20:35 +0100
                Re: boot me, COBOL and tricks John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2022-08-01 21:10 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-08-01 18:53 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Charles Richmond <codescott@aquaporin4.com> - 2022-10-30 05:25 -0500
                Re: COBOL and tricks Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2022-10-30 11:33 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-10-30 12:59 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-10-31 03:52 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-10-31 08:12 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> - 2022-10-31 12:20 -0500
                Re: COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-08-01 12:22 -0700
                Re: COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-08-01 20:37 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2022-08-02 09:39 +0100
                Re: backups in real life, COBOL and tricks John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2022-08-02 17:05 +0000
                Re: backups in real life, COBOL and tricks "25B.Z969" <25B.Z969@noda.net> - 2022-08-03 01:05 -0400
                Re: backups in real life, COBOL and tricks D.J. <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2022-08-03 11:51 -0500
                Re: backups in real life, COBOL and tricks "25B.Z969" <25B.Z969@noda.net> - 2022-08-04 22:11 -0400
                Re: backups in real life, COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-08-05 06:52 +0100
                Re: backups in real life, COBOL and tricks "25B.Z969" <25B.Z969@noda.net> - 2022-08-06 00:30 -0400
                Re: backups in real life, COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-08-07 22:36 +0000
                Re: backups in real life, COBOL and tricks "25B.Z969" <25B.Z969@noda.net> - 2022-08-07 20:27 -0400
                Re: backups in real life, COBOL and tricks J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2022-08-13 14:53 -0400
                Re: backups in real life, COBOL and tricks Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2022-08-13 19:44 +0000
                Re: backups in real life, COBOL and tricks "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> - 2022-08-13 16:51 -0400
                Re: backups in real life, COBOL and tricks Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2022-08-14 14:34 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Charles Richmond <codescott@aquaporin4.com> - 2022-10-30 05:26 -0500
                Re: COBOL and tricks Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2022-08-01 14:46 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2022-07-29 08:09 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-29 00:00 -0400
                Re: different languages, was COBOL and tricks John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2022-07-29 18:55 +0000
                Re: different languages, was COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-30 00:53 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks drb@ihatespam.msu.edu (Dennis Boone) - 2022-07-29 16:41 -0500
                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-30 01:03 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2022-07-30 08:16 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-30 19:50 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-07-30 14:56 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-30 20:35 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> - 2022-07-31 21:51 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-07-31 21:26 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-08-02 02:07 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-08-02 14:30 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2022-08-02 15:09 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z969" <25B.Z969@noda.net> - 2022-08-03 01:07 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2022-08-03 13:41 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z969" <25B.Z969@noda.net> - 2022-08-04 01:31 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-08-04 08:23 -0700
                Re: COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-08-04 18:05 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z969" <25B.Z969@noda.net> - 2022-08-04 23:35 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-08-05 16:45 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> - 2022-08-05 21:50 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-08-06 02:21 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z969" <25B.Z969@noda.net> - 2022-08-04 23:29 -0400
                Re: cars and COBOL and tricks John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2022-08-05 03:33 +0000
                Re: cars and COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-08-05 14:05 +0000
                Re: cars and COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-08-05 16:45 +0000
                Re: cars and COBOL and tricks Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2022-08-05 13:13 -0400
                Re: cars and COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-08-05 21:40 +0000
                Re: cars and COBOL and tricks John McCue <jmccue@magnetar.hsd1.ma.comcast.net> - 2022-10-29 17:05 +0000
                Re: cars and COBOL and tricks "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2022-10-29 20:40 +0100
                Re: cars and COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-10-30 06:14 +0000
                Re: cars and COBOL and tricks "25B.Z969" <25B.Z969@noda.net> - 2022-08-05 21:45 -0400
                Re: cars and COBOL and tricks J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2022-08-13 14:58 -0400
                Re: cars and COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-08-06 02:19 +0100
                Re: cars and COBOL and tricks "25B.Z969" <25B.Z969@noda.net> - 2022-08-05 21:44 -0400
                Re: cars and COBOL and tricks J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2022-08-13 15:03 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-08-06 02:15 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z969" <25B.Z969@noda.net> - 2022-08-04 01:03 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-28 23:43 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-07-29 15:23 -0700
                Re: old firms, was COBOL and tricks John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2022-07-29 22:58 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-30 01:04 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z969" <25B.Z969@noda.net> - 2022-08-06 00:06 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-08-02 00:32 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-08-02 09:23 -0700
                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z969" <25B.Z969@noda.net> - 2022-08-04 00:46 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2022-08-04 10:34 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z969" <25B.Z969@noda.net> - 2022-08-04 11:07 -0400
                Re: Fwd: Linux on a small memory PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-07-20 11:42 +0100
                Re: Fwd: Linux on a small memory PC Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-07-20 10:04 -0700
                Re: Fwd: Linux on a small memory PC Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-07-20 17:16 +0000
                Re: Fwd: Linux on a small memory PC "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-25 00:23 -0400
                Re: Fwd: Linux on a small memory PC Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-07-25 05:45 +0000
                Re: Fwd: Linux on a small memory PC "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-26 02:46 -0400
                Re: Fwd: Linux on a small memory PC Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-07-26 20:43 +0000
                Re: Fwd: Linux on a small memory PC J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2022-07-20 18:43 -0400
                Re: Fwd: Linux on a small memory PC Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-07-21 06:01 +0100
                Re: Fwd: Linux on a small memory PC Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-07-21 17:42 +0000
                Re: Fwd: Linux on a small memory PC Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-07-21 19:52 +0100
                Re: Fwd: Linux on a small memory PC J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2022-07-20 18:41 -0400
                Re: Fwd: Linux on a small memory PC "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-26 23:19 -0400
        Re: Linux on a small memory PC Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2022-07-08 10:27 +0100
          Re: Linux on a small memory PC "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-18 23:59 -0400
  Re: Linux on a small memory PC Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2022-07-07 13:49 +0200
    Re: Linux on a small memory PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-07-07 14:00 +0100
      Re: Linux on a small memory PC Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2022-07-07 11:12 -0400
      Re: Linux on a small memory PC not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2022-07-08 09:15 +1000
        Re: Linux on a small memory PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-07-08 09:56 +0100
          Re: Linux on a small memory PC not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2022-07-09 09:41 +1000
            Re: Linux on a small memory PC "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-09 01:30 -0400
              Re: Linux on a small memory PC Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2022-07-09 09:09 +0200
                Re: Linux on a small memory PC "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-09 11:42 -0400
              Re: Linux on a small memory PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-07-09 10:00 +0100

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