Re: COBOL and tricks

Subject	Re: COBOL and tricks
Newsgroups	alt.folklore.computers, comp.os.linux.misc
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From	"25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net>
Date	2022-07-27 22:48 -0400
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On 7/26/22 4:48 AM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
> On 2022-07-26 01:42, Dan Espen wrote:
>> Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> writes:
>>
>>> On 2022-07-24 00:23, Peter Flass wrote:
>>>> 25B.Z959 <25B.Z959@nada.net> wrote:
>>>>>     Sometimes that IS a factor ... you have to have people who
>>>>>     can write it. But 1990 ... IMHO it should have been 'C'.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> IMNSHO, COBOL. C is a terrible language for those types of
>>>    language. Things
>>>>    that are so dimple in COBOL, like moving a character string with 
>>>> blank
>>>> fill, or formatting numeric output, requires calling subroutines in
>>>    C, and
>>>> lack of length checking on string moves is a recipe for disaster.
>>> This is one of the weirder arguments I've ever seen:
>>> "requires calling a subroutine in C". As if that somehow is a problem?
>>> Not to mention it's a function, and not a subroutine. Any claim of
>>> "used the language quite a bit" sounds hollow after that.
>>>
>>> A statement to move a character string in COBOL will in the end be a
>>> subroutine call as well.
>>
>> And why do you think that?
>>
>> I've sure seen lots of COBOL MOVE instructions generate a single
>> hardware instruction.
> 
> Depends on the compiler and hardware, and so on...
> Which actually leads to the point that the same is true in C.
> You might think you are calling a function like strncpy(). And you are, 
> on an abstract level. However, modern C compilers understands what this 
> is, and will in fact insert the required code directly in the 
> instruction stream, which, again depending on the hardware, might end up 
> being a single instruction.

   True. The damned hardware dictates the details.

   Oh "strncpy(st,st,5)" ... where your destination
   is the also the source ... may not work as expected
   on all compilers. This has lately popped up in GCC
   where it wasn't an issue before. It'll probably
   go away with the next sub-sub version. Meanwhile I
   had to write a 'MYstrncpy()'. Probably gets even more
   interesting if yer after a "strsegcpy(*src, *dest, start,end)"
   where 'start' is an offset to *src ... ie you're copying up to
   n chars starting from somewhere in the middle of the string
   and building the result from *src onwards.

   So - the hardware can dictate the ASM, but micro-revisions
   in the compiler can make for unexpected results as well.
   I wonder how many programs break because of such things ?

> So in which way was COBOL better than C? In the end, claiming 
> superiority of a language based on that one have a function, while the 
> other have it as a statement is about as silly an argument as I have 
> ever seen. And all the extra claims to support that view are even sillier.

   Well, sometimes a function works better, sometimes
   a statement, sometimes a sub ..... if yer language
   can easily be bent to doing all three ways then
   you're golden. 'C' is more like that than COBOL, but
   ya gotta add more comments  :-)

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                Re: COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-07-25 22:52 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2022-07-19 23:31 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2022-07-20 08:26 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-07-20 00:27 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-07-19 18:10 -0700
                Re: COBOL and tricks Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2022-07-19 23:37 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2022-07-19 16:53 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-07-19 16:32 -0700
                Re: COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-07-20 00:27 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-07-20 06:48 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-07-20 11:47 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-07-20 10:04 -0700
                Re: COBOL and tricks Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2022-07-19 23:21 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-07-20 17:16 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-07-20 00:27 +0000
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                Re: COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-07-19 21:22 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks D.J. <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2022-07-19 18:20 -0500
                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-22 01:54 -0400
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                Re: COBOL and tricks Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2022-07-22 13:41 -1000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-07-20 00:27 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2022-07-19 23:40 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2022-07-19 14:26 -1000
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                Re: COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-07-20 12:00 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-07-20 10:04 -0700
                Re: COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-07-20 13:50 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-07-20 10:04 -0700
                Re: COBOL and tricks Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2022-07-20 20:44 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-19 22:34 -0400
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                Re: COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-07-20 17:16 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2022-07-20 20:09 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2022-07-20 19:30 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-07-20 23:09 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-07-21 06:00 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-07-21 17:42 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-07-21 19:28 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-07-20 17:16 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-23 15:18 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2022-07-23 19:32 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-07-23 21:48 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-24 00:07 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks Allodoxaphobia <trepidation@example.net> - 2022-07-23 23:50 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-24 01:31 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks Alan Bowler <atbowler@thinkage.ca> - 2022-08-19 22:08 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2022-08-20 03:20 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2022-08-19 17:59 -1000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2022-08-20 11:48 -1000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-07-24 06:44 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2022-07-24 21:13 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2022-07-24 19:49 -0400
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                Re: COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-07-25 13:52 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2022-07-25 20:57 +0100
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                Re: COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-07-25 21:45 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-07-25 18:55 -0700
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                Re: COBOL and tricks Charles Richmond <codescott@aquaporin4.com> - 2022-10-29 04:19 -0500
                Re: COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-10-29 12:17 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-10-29 22:44 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-25 00:02 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks Jack Strangio  <jackstrangio@yahoo.com> - 2022-07-25 10:56 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-07-25 13:57 -0700
                Re: COBOL and tricks Allodoxaphobia <trepidation@example.net> - 2022-07-25 12:54 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-23 23:08 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-07-25 05:36 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-26 01:11 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-07-26 20:43 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Charles Richmond <codescott@aquaporin4.com> - 2022-10-29 04:40 -0500
                Re: COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-07-23 15:23 -0700
                Re: COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-07-23 15:26 -0700
                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-25 00:08 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-07-25 13:55 -0700
                Re: COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-07-25 22:52 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-26 01:35 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks Charles Richmond <codescott@aquaporin4.com> - 2022-10-28 02:20 -0500
                Re: COBOL and tricks Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2022-10-28 08:03 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-10-28 22:17 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Charles Richmond <codescott@aquaporin4.com> - 2022-10-29 07:45 -0500
                Re: COBOL and tricks Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2022-10-29 17:07 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-26 01:28 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2022-07-26 19:38 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-07-26 20:43 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> - 2022-07-26 21:53 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-07-26 22:21 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-26 22:45 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-07-27 18:10 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-31 22:35 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks Charles Richmond <codescott@aquaporin4.com> - 2022-10-28 02:37 -0500
                Re: COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-10-28 22:16 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> - 2022-10-30 20:47 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2022-10-30 22:18 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2022-10-30 14:20 -1000
                Re: COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-10-31 14:43 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-10-31 09:37 -0700
                Re: COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-07-26 13:57 -0700
                Re: COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-07-27 18:10 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Charles Richmond <codescott@aquaporin4.com> - 2022-10-28 02:43 -0500
                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-26 22:32 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-07-27 13:51 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-07-27 18:10 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Charles Richmond <codescott@aquaporin4.com> - 2022-10-28 02:24 -0500
                Re: COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-10-28 13:41 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-07-26 20:43 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-07-26 13:57 -0700
                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-26 22:57 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks drb@ihatespam.msu.edu (Dennis Boone) - 2022-07-27 14:49 -0500
                Re: COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-07-27 21:28 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks Charles Richmond <codescott@aquaporin4.com> - 2022-10-28 02:52 -0500
                Re: COBOL and tricks Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2022-10-28 09:45 -0600
                Re: COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-07-27 11:39 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> - 2022-07-26 21:52 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-07-26 22:26 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2022-07-31 13:38 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Charles Richmond <codescott@aquaporin4.com> - 2022-10-28 02:59 -0500
                Re: COBOL and tricks Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> - 2022-07-31 21:27 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-07-31 18:05 -0700
                Re: COBOL and tricks John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2022-08-01 02:05 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Charles Richmond <codescott@aquaporin4.com> - 2022-10-28 03:09 -0500
                Re: COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-10-28 11:26 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-10-28 22:17 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2022-10-29 19:09 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-10-29 15:43 -0700
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-10-30 15:55 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2022-10-30 21:07 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-10-30 15:53 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-10-30 10:24 -0700
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2022-10-30 19:15 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2022-10-31 18:41 -0400
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-10-31 23:56 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-01 07:59 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-11-01 13:42 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charles Richmond <codescott@aquaporin4.com> - 2022-11-01 10:00 -0500
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2022-11-01 14:50 -0400
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Ted Heise <theise@panix.com> - 2022-11-02 18:02 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-11-01 19:14 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-11-01 19:36 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2022-11-02 15:02 -0400
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-02 11:32 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-11-01 19:14 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2022-11-01 21:30 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-11-01 22:31 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-02 11:40 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-02 11:28 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-11-02 09:56 -0700
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-11-02 17:21 +0000
                Re: genders, self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2022-11-02 17:37 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-11-02 18:05 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-04 08:20 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-11-04 17:35 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> - 2022-11-05 09:01 -0500
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-05 15:50 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> - 2022-11-05 11:28 -0500
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> - 2022-11-05 15:41 -0500
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-06 23:15 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> - 2022-11-07 10:52 -0600
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-07 17:00 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> - 2022-11-07 11:05 -0600
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-07 17:16 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> - 2022-11-07 13:02 -0600
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-07 19:48 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charles Richmond <codescott@aquaporin4.com> - 2022-11-08 09:57 -0600
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-11-08 19:59 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2022-11-08 22:00 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2022-11-09 00:30 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-09 08:32 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-11-09 13:53 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> - 2022-11-09 12:01 -0600
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-11-09 18:07 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> - 2022-11-09 13:04 -0600
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-11-09 19:26 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-10 10:31 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-10 10:34 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-11-10 06:40 -0700
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> - 2022-11-10 10:53 -0600
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-11-10 19:08 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-11 11:34 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Alan Bowler <atbowler@thinkage.ca> - 2022-11-11 19:52 -0500
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-10 10:30 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-11-10 06:40 -0700
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks onion@anon.invalid (Mr Ön!on) - 2023-01-19 16:03 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-10 10:24 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-10 10:19 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charles Richmond <codescott@aquaporin4.com> - 2022-11-11 17:05 -0600
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-12 11:12 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> - 2022-11-12 09:30 -0600
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-11-12 19:42 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charles Richmond <codescott@aquaporin4.com> - 2022-11-12 22:34 -0600
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-13 10:35 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-13 10:25 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-11-13 17:09 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-11-13 18:00 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-11-14 03:04 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-14 13:34 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-11-14 07:52 -0700
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-11-14 07:52 -0700
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-14 12:32 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-11-14 07:52 -0700
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-11-14 17:51 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-11-13 15:31 -0700
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-11-14 03:04 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-14 13:48 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charles Richmond <codescott@aquaporin4.com> - 2022-11-17 02:53 -0600
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-11-17 18:37 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-11-17 17:13 -0700
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> - 2022-11-19 05:02 -0500
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-11-19 11:20 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-11-13 15:31 -0700
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-11-13 23:06 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-14 13:44 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-11-14 14:37 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-11-14 07:58 -0700
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-11-14 15:33 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-11-14 16:11 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-11-14 16:41 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-11-14 17:55 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-14 18:05 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-11-14 13:51 -0700
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-11-14 22:05 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-15 11:09 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2022-11-14 16:46 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-14 17:10 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-11-14 17:29 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-14 17:58 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2022-11-14 20:04 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-15 10:50 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Alan Bowler <atbowler@thinkage.ca> - 2022-11-29 18:52 -0500
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-30 09:00 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-11-30 10:58 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-30 16:01 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2022-11-30 16:20 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-11-30 16:47 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-12-01 10:59 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-12-01 14:23 -0700
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-11-30 17:57 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-11-30 18:01 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-12-01 05:19 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-12-01 07:42 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-12-01 10:05 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-12-01 14:23 -0700
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-12-01 21:45 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> - 2022-12-01 16:33 -0600
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-12-01 22:46 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2022-12-01 22:48 -0500
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-12-02 11:22 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> - 2022-12-02 13:49 -0600
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2022-12-02 22:52 -0500
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-12-03 13:45 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> - 2022-12-03 09:57 -0600
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2022-12-03 11:20 -0500
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-12-03 16:55 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-12-03 12:52 -0700
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-12-04 00:00 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-12-04 10:03 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-12-04 07:05 -0700
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2022-12-03 20:08 -0500
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-12-03 19:37 -0700
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2022-12-03 22:22 -0500
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-12-04 10:16 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> - 2022-12-04 15:00 -0600
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-12-05 11:47 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-12-05 07:32 -0700
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> - 2022-12-05 09:17 -0600
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> - 2022-12-05 09:16 -0600
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-12-05 17:45 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-12-04 10:16 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-12-04 07:05 -0700
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> - 2022-12-04 14:58 -0600
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-12-04 21:31 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks "NightBulb.net" <nospam@nightbulb.net> - 2022-12-04 16:00 -0600
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-12-04 15:50 -0700
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                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-12-05 11:25 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2022-12-05 11:55 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2022-12-05 11:58 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-12-05 12:06 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-12-05 07:32 -0700
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-12-05 15:19 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-12-05 19:55 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charles Richmond <codescott@aquaporin4.com> - 2022-12-05 10:46 -0600
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-12-05 11:22 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> - 2022-12-05 09:19 -0600
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-12-05 16:40 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> - 2022-12-05 13:48 -0600
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-12-05 19:55 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-12-05 11:14 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charles Richmond <codescott@aquaporin4.com> - 2022-12-05 10:55 -0600
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-12-05 17:55 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-12-05 11:09 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-12-04 09:49 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-12-03 16:49 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-12-03 12:52 -0700
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-12-04 09:26 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> - 2022-12-03 09:55 -0600
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-12-04 04:18 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-12-03 13:43 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2022-12-03 08:03 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-12-03 13:46 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2022-12-03 08:56 -0500
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-12-03 14:47 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-12-03 16:47 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-12-04 04:18 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-12-03 12:52 -0700
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-12-03 20:46 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-12-03 23:59 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-12-04 05:49 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-12-04 09:41 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-12-03 16:40 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-12-03 12:52 -0700
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2022-12-03 20:20 -0500
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-12-04 06:01 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-12-04 09:31 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2022-12-05 05:27 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-12-05 06:10 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-12-02 09:24 +0000
                Nukes or Renewables? (nothing to do with COBOL) "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2022-12-02 10:07 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-12-02 14:30 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-12-04 09:03 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-12-04 10:42 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-12-04 14:33 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-12-04 16:15 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-12-04 17:35 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-12-05 11:00 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-12-04 21:25 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-12-02 09:13 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> - 2022-12-02 13:51 -0600
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-12-02 09:12 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-12-02 14:28 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-12-02 19:14 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-12-02 20:48 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-12-03 16:34 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2022-12-03 16:38 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-12-03 17:00 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-12-03 18:04 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-12-04 09:27 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-12-01 15:24 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2022-12-02 08:01 +1000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-12-01 23:41 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-12-02 10:23 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-12-02 10:22 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-11-14 19:06 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2022-11-14 19:53 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-11-14 20:29 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-11-15 04:48 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-11-14 13:51 -0700
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-11-14 21:46 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-15 11:06 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> - 2022-11-15 10:33 -0600
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-15 10:59 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-14 17:08 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-14 17:04 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-11-14 07:52 -0700
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-14 17:11 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-11-14 17:51 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-14 17:59 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-11-14 13:51 -0700
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-15 11:08 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-11-14 18:19 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-15 10:43 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-14 13:34 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-11-14 07:52 -0700
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-11-14 17:51 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charles Richmond <codescott@aquaporin4.com> - 2022-11-17 02:50 -0600
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-13 10:12 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2022-11-12 15:38 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-13 10:13 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-11-05 23:53 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> - 2022-11-06 10:13 -0600
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-06 23:31 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> - 2022-11-06 19:43 -0500
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-07 06:13 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> - 2022-11-07 10:50 -0600
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks pH <wNOSPAMp@gmail.org> - 2022-11-07 21:45 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> - 2022-11-07 16:07 -0600
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks pH <wNOSPAMp@gmail.org> - 2022-11-07 22:55 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-11-08 15:04 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2022-11-08 16:18 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-11-08 18:16 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-11-08 12:24 -0700
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks pH <wNOSPAMp@gmail.org> - 2022-11-08 17:16 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> - 2022-11-09 12:03 -0600
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-11-08 00:14 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-05 14:47 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-05 15:51 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-06 12:01 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2022-11-06 12:33 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-11-06 14:18 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-11-06 11:44 -0700
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-06 23:30 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-11-07 10:37 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charles Richmond <codescott@aquaporin4.com> - 2022-11-08 09:21 -0600
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-11-08 19:59 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-09 08:59 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-11-09 18:36 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-11-10 06:40 -0700
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-11-10 19:08 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-11 11:45 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-11-12 19:42 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-11 11:30 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-11-12 19:42 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-13 10:22 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charles Richmond <codescott@aquaporin4.com> - 2022-11-11 09:26 -0600
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-11-12 19:42 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> - 2022-11-06 10:14 -0600
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-06 23:29 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2022-11-07 10:21 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2022-11-07 11:00 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2022-11-07 11:53 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-11-07 15:10 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-07 16:00 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-11-07 16:31 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-07 15:56 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> - 2022-11-07 10:58 -0600
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-07 17:09 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> - 2022-11-07 13:03 -0600
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-07 19:51 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> - 2022-11-07 14:01 -0600
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-07 20:15 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> - 2022-11-07 16:00 -0600
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-08 10:43 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> - 2022-11-08 08:55 -0600
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-11-08 19:59 +0000

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