Re: Old Hardware Redux

From	"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Newsgroups	comp.os.linux.misc
Subject	Re: Old Hardware Redux
Date	2025-08-20 21:02 +0200
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On 2025-08-20 15:10, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 20/08/2025 12:52, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> On 2025-08-20 13:33, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 20/08/2025 12:30, Marco Moock wrote:
>>>> On 20.08.2025 12:38 Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Not enough RAM kills usability of old systems.
>>>>
>>>> Not enough CPU power too.
>>>>
>>>> Most current website are overloaded with crap and are rendered very
>>>> slowly on old machines.
>>>>
>>> Yes. and crap MIPS per Watt.
>>>
>>> However that is not an excuse to go out and waste money of bleeding 
>>> edge shit, unless you are  A Gamer™
>>>
>>> 10 year old technology is fine, Just not 20 year old...
>>>
>>
>> My previous desktop computer was killed for:
>>
>>   * Nvidia refused to upgrade the proprietary driver for that card, so 
>> eventually had to switch to Nouveau
>>
>>   * VMware refused to run unless certain CPU instructions for 
>> virtualisation existed. Virtualbox continued to run, but migration of 
>> machines failed for me.
>>
>>   * Motherboard was maxed with 8 GiB, would not accept more.
>>
>>   * Swaping on rotating rust started sucking after some kernel/libc 
>> update, because of fragmentation causing the disk heads to do a lot of 
>> seeking. The cure was switching to SSD.
>>
>> My previous laptop had more issues:
>>
>>   * 4 GiB
>>
>>   * Slow CPU, fanless
>>
>>   * Too small display.
>>
>>
>> So I bit the bullet and purchased a desktop machine with 64 GiB and a 
>> laptop with 32. I expect them to last 10 or 15 years.
>>
> Looking back at my desktops they generally last 5-10 years after I buy 
> them - usually secondhand.

Mine last about 10 years in use. I try to, at least. I haven't done an 
actual log.

> 
> This one is a 2015 model - It has at least 5 years more in it. It may 
> outlast me
> 
> Laptops are more frail and get harder treatment

I handle my laptops very carefully, like eggs ;-)

My first laptop, purchased maybe 2009, died recently. The backlight 
failed. So, not my handling. It was a heavy unit, the battery was 
exchangeable, with a click. Had a DVD drive. R/W? I don't remember.

The second one was very light, I bought it for travelling. It still 
works, but the display is too small, and it is too slow. I use it for 
watching movies, connecting the HDMI port directly to the sitting room 
display. It can not handle 4K movies, though. Not enough power for "real 
time" conversion by VLC.

The third one has ample power and memory. I would have liked it bigger, 
but I bought it also for travel. 315 mm wide screen.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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Old Hardware Redux c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-20 02:12 -0400
  Re: Old Hardware Redux "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-20 12:38 +0200
    Re: Old Hardware Redux Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2025-08-20 13:30 +0200
      Re: Old Hardware Redux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-20 12:33 +0100
        Re: Old Hardware Redux "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-20 13:52 +0200
          Re: Old Hardware Redux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-20 14:10 +0100
            Re: Old Hardware Redux Joerg Walther <joerg.walther@magenta.de> - 2025-08-20 16:16 +0200
            Re: Old Hardware Redux "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-20 21:02 +0200
        Re: Old Hardware Redux not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-08-21 07:54 +1000
          Re: Old Hardware Redux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-21 10:11 +0100
          Re: Old Hardware Redux Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2025-08-21 11:51 +0200
            Re: Old Hardware Redux Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-21 11:31 +0100
              Re: Old Hardware Redux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-21 11:45 +0100
                Re: Old Hardware Redux "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-21 13:29 +0200
                Re: Old Hardware Redux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-21 12:49 +0100
                Re: Old Hardware Redux Geoff Clare <geoff@clare.See-My-Signature.invalid> - 2025-08-21 13:44 +0100
                Re: Old Hardware Redux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-21 14:28 +0100
                Re: Old Hardware Redux "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-21 21:30 +0200
                Re: Old Hardware Redux John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-08-21 13:05 -0700
                Re: Old Hardware Redux "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-21 22:21 +0200
                Re: Old Hardware Redux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-22 11:03 +0100
                Re: Old Hardware Redux c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-22 09:50 -0400
                Re: Old Hardware Redux Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-22 22:31 +0000
                Re: Old Hardware Redux not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-08-22 09:40 +1000
                Re: Old Hardware Redux c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-22 02:55 -0400
            Re: Old Hardware Redux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-21 11:37 +0100
              Re: Old Hardware Redux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-21 18:05 +0000
                Re: Old Hardware Redux not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-08-22 09:57 +1000
                Re: Old Hardware Redux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-22 00:36 +0000
              Re: Old Hardware Redux not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-08-22 09:28 +1000
              Re: Old Hardware Redux c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-22 09:46 -0400
                Re: Old Hardware Redux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-22 19:45 +0100
                Re: Old Hardware Redux c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-23 00:01 -0400
                Re: Old Hardware Redux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-23 04:53 +0000
                Re: Old Hardware Redux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-23 10:50 +0100
                Re: Old Hardware Redux Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-23 10:22 +0000
                Re: Old Hardware Redux c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-24 02:25 -0400
                Re: Old Hardware Redux Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-08-24 19:19 +0000
                Re: Old Hardware Redux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-23 20:21 +0000
                Re: Old Hardware Redux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-24 10:55 +0100
                Re: Old Hardware Redux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-24 20:02 +0000
                Re: Old Hardware Redux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-25 12:30 +0100
                Re: Old Hardware Redux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-25 18:13 +0000
                Re: Old Hardware Redux Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-24 22:14 +0000
                Re: Old Hardware Redux c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-24 01:09 -0400
                Re: Old Hardware Redux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-24 10:58 +0100
                Re: Old Hardware Redux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-24 20:12 +0000
                Re: Old Hardware Redux Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-08-24 14:33 -0700
                Re: Old Hardware Redux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-25 01:47 +0000
                Re: Old Hardware Redux Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-08-24 21:12 -0700
                Re: Old Hardware Redux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-25 04:34 +0000
                Re: Old Hardware Redux Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-08-24 21:49 -0700
                Re: Old Hardware Redux Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-25 05:33 +0000
                Re: Old Hardware Redux c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-25 01:34 -0400
                Re: Old Hardware Redux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-25 18:31 +0000
                Re: Old Hardware Redux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-25 12:44 +0100
                Re: Old Hardware Redux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-25 12:40 +0100
                Re: Old Hardware Redux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-25 12:34 +0100
                Re: Old Hardware Redux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-25 18:24 +0000
                Re: Old Hardware Redux c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-26 03:47 -0400
                Re: Old Hardware Redux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-23 10:43 +0100
                Re: Old Hardware Redux c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-24 00:48 -0400
                Re: Old Hardware Redux not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-08-23 14:09 +1000
                Re: Old Hardware Redux Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-23 06:59 +0000
                Re: Old Hardware Redux Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-08-23 13:02 +0000
                Re: Old Hardware Redux not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-08-24 09:13 +1000
                Re: Old Hardware Redux Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-23 23:37 +0000
                Re: Old Hardware Redux c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-24 03:18 -0400
                Re: Old Hardware Redux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-23 10:48 +0100
                Re: Old Hardware Redux Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-23 10:22 +0000
                Re: Old Hardware Redux Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-08-23 18:02 +0000
                Re: Old Hardware Redux Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-23 23:44 +0000
                Re: Old Hardware Redux c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-24 01:04 -0400
                Re: Old Hardware Redux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-24 20:20 +0000
                Re: Old Hardware Redux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-25 12:24 +0100
                Re: Old Hardware Redux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-25 18:10 +0000
                Re: Old Hardware Redux c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-26 03:42 -0400
  Re: Old Hardware Redux Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-08-20 17:21 +0000
    Re: Old Hardware Redux Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-21 06:51 +0000
      Re: Old Hardware Redux c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-21 03:15 -0400
        Re: Old Hardware Redux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-21 10:14 +0100
          Re: Old Hardware Redux Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-22 01:05 +0000
            Re: Old Hardware Redux c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-22 03:00 -0400
    Re: Old Hardware Redux Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-21 10:45 +0100
      Re: Old Hardware Redux Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-08-21 18:15 +0000

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