Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check

From	Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid>
Newsgroups	comp.os.linux.misc
Subject	Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check
Date	2026-05-07 13:14 +0000
Organization	A noiseless patient Spider
Message-ID	<slrn10vp423.92m.boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> (permalink)
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On 2026-05-05, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
> On 5/4/26 21:22, rbowman wrote:
>> On Mon, 4 May 2026 12:41:35 -0000 (UTC), Borax Man wrote:
>> 
>>> I have had an issue with BTRFS in the past, an error which couldn't be
>>> corrected.
>> 
>> My first exposure to btrfs was SuSE 13.2. GRUB was not amused. I'm not
>> sure if it is even now. The Fedora box is btrfs except for /boot which is
>> ext4.
>
>    In THEORY the 'btrfs' is very good. Alas I keep hearing
>    accounts of un-fixable errors that trash everything.
>
>    Fedora now defaults to btrfs and it's a bit of a
>    pain to convince it otherwise.
>
>    There's not a damned thing wrong with EXT4 and at this
>    point it's ultra-reliable and very fixable.
>
>    With the sheer volume and frequent access to data these
>    days, as opposed to the old PC days, hyper-reliable is
>    absolutely necessary. Even yer humble laptop may read/write
>    a petabyte a year depending. It'd better do it RIGHT.
>
>    IMHO, use EXT4, or maybe XFS if you're moving Big Data.
>    ZFS is theoretically good, has some cool features, but
>    it's very obese.
>

The thing is, silent undetectable data loss is very real.  If I'm moving
precious data, I need to know it moved correctly.  Unfortunately, EXT4
and XFS while they ARE reliable, cannot prevent the issues I had.  BTRFS
did.

You can add a checksum or some data integrity to files on EXT4 or BTRFS,
using mtree or a hash, or a tool I wrote "checkit" to add a CRC as an
extended attribute, so you can detect if the data has changed.  I would
never store important data, like personal photos without at least this
CRC.  At least with "checkit", I can copy the data, and verify at the
other end without having to do a byte-byte comparison against the
original.  The CRC gets copied with the file.  You can archive with it
as well, so when you extract years later, you can still verify.

Checkit works quite well, but BTRFS automates this process.

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Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-04-24 00:04 +0000
  Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-04-24 02:29 +0000
    Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-04-24 09:23 +0000
      Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-04-24 10:28 +0100
      Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-04-24 19:46 -0400
  Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-04-24 10:55 +0200
  Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-04-26 12:53 +0000
    Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-04-26 14:01 +0000
      Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-04-26 20:54 +0200
      Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-04-27 13:25 +0000
  Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-04-27 15:24 +0000
    Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-04-29 13:10 +0000
      Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-04-29 15:57 +0000
        Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-04-30 01:02 -0400
          Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-04-30 11:01 +0200
          Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2026-04-30 12:36 +0000
            Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2026-04-30 14:32 +0000
              Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-04-30 16:42 +0100
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-05-03 12:29 +0000
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-03 21:13 +0200
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-03 22:05 +0000
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check jayjwa <jayjwa@atr2.ath.cx.invalid> - 2026-05-04 12:08 -0400
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check John Bokma <contact@johnbokma.com> - 2026-05-04 19:24 +0200
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-05 00:00 +0000
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-05-04 12:41 +0000
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-04 20:04 +0200
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-05 00:05 +0000
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-05 12:07 +0200
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-05 21:56 +0000
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-06 02:41 +0200
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-06 04:13 +0000
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-06 13:03 +0100
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-06 10:21 +0100
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-06 13:36 +0200
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-06 21:16 +0000
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-06 23:31 +0100
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-05-07 06:41 +0200
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-07 08:34 +0100
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-07 09:06 +0100
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-07 10:58 +0200
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-05-08 09:00 +1000
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-08 09:45 +0100
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-05-09 10:01 +1000
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-05-09 00:12 +0000
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> - 2026-05-09 17:30 +1000
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-08 00:12 +0000
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-08 10:57 +0200
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-08 09:26 +0000
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-08 12:47 +0200
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-08 21:55 +0000
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-08 16:42 +0100
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-08 22:42 +0100
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-09 08:34 +0100
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-09 10:18 +0100
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-09 13:31 +0200
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-05-09 09:57 +0200
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-06 00:53 -0400
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-06 10:47 +0200
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-05-07 13:17 +0000
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-05 01:22 +0000
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-05 00:52 -0400
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-05 12:11 +0200
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-06 00:46 -0400
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-06 06:43 +0000
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-06 11:05 -0400
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-06 19:47 +0000
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-05-06 15:10 -0700
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-06 22:04 -0400
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-07 06:32 +0000
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-07 17:37 -0400
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-08 00:30 +0000
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-07 23:20 -0400
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-06 10:51 +0200
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-06 17:38 +0100
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-06 20:52 +0200
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-05-07 13:14 +0000
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-07 16:51 +0100
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-05-07 18:35 +0000
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-07 20:08 +0100
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-05-08 12:47 +0000
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-08 14:22 +0100
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-05-08 13:24 +0000
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-05-09 14:08 +0000
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-07 20:20 +0200
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-05-08 12:40 +0000
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-08 00:17 +0000
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-05-08 12:38 +0000
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-08 21:07 +0000
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-05-09 14:06 +0000
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-05-09 15:27 +0000
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-05-10 12:28 +0000
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-05 12:08 +0200
              Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-04-30 17:05 +0100
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-04-30 14:28 -0400
              Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-05-03 12:15 +0000
            Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-04-30 16:54 +0100
            Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-01 00:15 +0000
              Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-04-30 20:36 -0400
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-05-03 12:08 +0000
      Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-04-30 00:59 -0400

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