Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check

From	"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Newsgroups	comp.os.linux.misc
Subject	Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check
Date	2026-05-09 13:31 +0200
Organization	Tebibyte_Retro_Gaming
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On 2026-05-09 09:34, Nuno Silva wrote:
> On 2026-05-08, Richard Kettlewell wrote:
> 
>> Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> writes:
>>> On 2026-05-08, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 8 May 2026 10:57:23 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>>> On 2026-05-08 02:12, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, 7 May 2026 10:58:54 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>>>>> However, grub 2 has to store parts of itself at the same location
>>>>>>> that stage 1.5 was. Just has a different name.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There only needs to be enough of it in the boot partition to be
>>>>>> able to read the OS partition where the config and the rest of it
>>>>>> are kept.
>>>>>
>>>>> Which is not possible. The MBR code is about two hundred bytes.
>>>>
>>>> Notice I said “boot partition”, not “MBR”.
>>>
>>> So you're saying GRUB 2 cannot be installed to an MBR?
>>
>> He didn’t mention the MBR at all, so I don’t know either of you are
>> inserting it into the discussion.
> 
> If you want to boot in PC BIOS, I think the usual way is to install the
> bootloader to the MBR.
> 
>> He’s obviously talking about the later
>> parts of the boot process, specifically he’s referring to the
> 
> But to get to these parts, you need to go through the initial
> parts. Carlos said it needed more storage than the MBR can provide to
> load the code needed to read from the boot partition, Lawrence said it's
> not necessary, so that gets me wondering how is the limitation Carlos
> mentioned handled.

Well, I posted a summary by ChatGPT that explained it, somewhere up the 
thread. You can find articles in internet that explain the same process.

(BIOS machine, MBR or classical partitions context)

Basically, boot sector (or MBR, irrelevant) points to some sectors at 
the start of the partition, or the track zero of the disk, that contain 
enough code to read the rest of the code from the /boot directory.

It doesn't matter how you call that intermediate chunk of code. Time ago 
it was stage 1.5

It was a hack designed for machines that were invented in the 80's that 
did not contemplate booting several OSes. If you remember, previous to 
grub we used lilo. Each time files were written, we had to run something 
that what it did was store in the boot sector code the exact location in 
sector numbers of the files it had to read next. If you forgot that 
stage, the machine would not boot. Grub could decode the /boot 
filesystem, but that can not be coded in 200 bytes, it needs much more 
code, that has to be stored somewhere that is not a file, just sector 
numbers.

If you have a BIOS machine booting a GPT disk, that intermediate code 
resides in a BIOS Boot Partition of 1 or 2 megabytes, without 
filesystem, just raw data.

> 
>> possibility of core.img being in one filesystem (“the boot partition”)
>> and prefix referencing another filesystem (“the OS partition”). My
>> system works like that (with core.img in grubx64.efi in the ESP and
>> accompanied by just enough configuration to point it at the full
>> grub.cfg in my root filesystem).
> 
> .efi and ESP suggests you're talking about a different bootstrapping
> process than the one involving the MBR, and EFI firmwares hopefully are
> more capable in this regard?

EFI firmware can directly read files in a FAT partition.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-04-24 00:04 +0000
  Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-04-24 02:29 +0000
    Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-04-24 09:23 +0000
      Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-04-24 10:28 +0100
      Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-04-24 19:46 -0400
  Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-04-24 10:55 +0200
  Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-04-26 12:53 +0000
    Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-04-26 14:01 +0000
      Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-04-26 20:54 +0200
      Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-04-27 13:25 +0000
  Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-04-27 15:24 +0000
    Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-04-29 13:10 +0000
      Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-04-29 15:57 +0000
        Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-04-30 01:02 -0400
          Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-04-30 11:01 +0200
          Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2026-04-30 12:36 +0000
            Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2026-04-30 14:32 +0000
              Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-04-30 16:42 +0100
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-05-03 12:29 +0000
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-03 21:13 +0200
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-03 22:05 +0000
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check jayjwa <jayjwa@atr2.ath.cx.invalid> - 2026-05-04 12:08 -0400
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check John Bokma <contact@johnbokma.com> - 2026-05-04 19:24 +0200
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-05 00:00 +0000
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-05-04 12:41 +0000
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-04 20:04 +0200
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-05 00:05 +0000
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-05 12:07 +0200
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-05 21:56 +0000
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-06 02:41 +0200
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-06 04:13 +0000
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-06 13:03 +0100
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-06 10:21 +0100
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-06 13:36 +0200
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-06 21:16 +0000
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-06 23:31 +0100
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-05-07 06:41 +0200
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-07 08:34 +0100
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-07 09:06 +0100
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-07 10:58 +0200
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-05-08 09:00 +1000
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-08 09:45 +0100
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-05-09 10:01 +1000
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-05-09 00:12 +0000
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> - 2026-05-09 17:30 +1000
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-08 00:12 +0000
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-08 10:57 +0200
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-08 09:26 +0000
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-08 12:47 +0200
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-08 21:55 +0000
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-08 16:42 +0100
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-08 22:42 +0100
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-09 08:34 +0100
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-09 10:18 +0100
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-09 13:31 +0200
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-05-09 09:57 +0200
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-06 00:53 -0400
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-06 10:47 +0200
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-05-07 13:17 +0000
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-05 01:22 +0000
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-05 00:52 -0400
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-05 12:11 +0200
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-06 00:46 -0400
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-06 06:43 +0000
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-06 11:05 -0400
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-06 19:47 +0000
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-05-06 15:10 -0700
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-06 22:04 -0400
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-07 06:32 +0000
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-07 17:37 -0400
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-08 00:30 +0000
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-07 23:20 -0400
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-06 10:51 +0200
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-06 17:38 +0100
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-06 20:52 +0200
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-05-07 13:14 +0000
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-07 16:51 +0100
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-05-07 18:35 +0000
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-07 20:08 +0100
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-05-08 12:47 +0000
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-08 14:22 +0100
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-05-08 13:24 +0000
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-05-09 14:08 +0000
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-07 20:20 +0200
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-05-08 12:40 +0000
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-08 00:17 +0000
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-05-08 12:38 +0000
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-08 21:07 +0000
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-05-09 14:06 +0000
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-05-09 15:27 +0000
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-05-10 12:28 +0000
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-05 12:08 +0200
              Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-04-30 17:05 +0100
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-04-30 14:28 -0400
              Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-05-03 12:15 +0000
            Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-04-30 16:54 +0100
            Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-01 00:15 +0000
              Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-04-30 20:36 -0400
                Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-05-03 12:08 +0000
      Re: Converted EXT4 is Slow to Check c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-04-30 00:59 -0400

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