Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE

From	"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Newsgroups	alt.comp.os.windows-11, comp.os.linux.misc
Subject	Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE
Date	2025-08-24 14:53 +0200
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On 2025-08-23 07:29, rbowman wrote:
> On Fri, 22 Aug 2025 13:00:56 -0700, John Ames wrote:
> 
>> On 22 Aug 2025 19:21:42 GMT rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>>
>>> That turned me off history until my later years. I love looking at the
>>> big picture and how it all comes together but elementary school
>>> teachers favored tests they could easily grade and dates were as black
>>> and white as it gets. They also had a very tight focus. What else was
>>> happening in the world in 1215? What was Frederick II up to?
>>> How about the Danes?
>>
>> History is one of those subjects that's immensely fascinating, but gets
>> taught in exactly the way that's most likely to turn students off ever
>> taking an interest in it - much like reading, where even if the method
>> for teaching *how* to read isn't faulty (which it all too often is,) the
>> actual *reading a book* part is treated as nothing more than the
>> preamble to the hell that is book reports and dull-ass were-you-paying-
>> the-barest-minimum-of-attention quizzes.
> 
> I was a reader at a young age. My father would read the comics and my
> favorite books to me while I was sitting on his lap. I loved Thornton
> Burgess.
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thornton_W._Burgess
> 
> One day nobody was available to read to me and I needed my Jerry Muskrat
> fix so I read it. They thought I was faking it until I read it aloud to
> prove I wasn't.

Heh. My mother was not allowed to go into the village school — one of 
those with kids of all ages in a single room — probably deemed too 
young. So she stayed outside looking through the window, how the other 
kids recited-read from the blackboard. At some point the teacher found 
out she could read. I don't remember how that happened, maybe she was 
finally allowed in, or she grew into the proper age.

And she became an avid reader, just as me later. She would hide a novel 
inside some study book, so that her mother would think she was studying 
(mother could barely read). But mother knew, she just had to see the 
rapt happy face :-D


> 
> I don't know how well that skill worked out in the long run. I skipped
> kindergarten and started 1st grade at 4 so I was always about two years
> younger than my classmates. That really sucked in high school when I
> wasn't old enough for driver's ed, let alone driving.
> 
> I liked the books, the reports not so much. They expanded my vocabulary.
> My 7th grade English teacher didn't know what a octoroon was, let alone
> where I picked it up. My mother had left Frank Yerby's 'The Foxes of
> Harrow' lying around. I read it several times in fact. Set in the
> Antebellum South with a lot of action including duels, exploding
> steamboats, and the Civil War, what was not to like?  Some of the more
> complex race relations more or less went over my head.

I had to google that word. Yes, reading a lot expands your vocabulary 
beyond your age. Happened to me, both in Spanish and later in English. 
But now my memory is not as good as it was.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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