Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE

From	rbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Newsgroups	alt.comp.os.windows-11, comp.os.linux.misc
Subject	Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE
Date	2025-08-23 05:29 +0000
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On Fri, 22 Aug 2025 13:00:56 -0700, John Ames wrote:

> On 22 Aug 2025 19:21:42 GMT rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
> 
>> That turned me off history until my later years. I love looking at the
>> big picture and how it all comes together but elementary school
>> teachers favored tests they could easily grade and dates were as black
>> and white as it gets. They also had a very tight focus. What else was
>> happening in the world in 1215? What was Frederick II up to?
>> How about the Danes?
> 
> History is one of those subjects that's immensely fascinating, but gets
> taught in exactly the way that's most likely to turn students off ever
> taking an interest in it - much like reading, where even if the method
> for teaching *how* to read isn't faulty (which it all too often is,) the
> actual *reading a book* part is treated as nothing more than the
> preamble to the hell that is book reports and dull-ass were-you-paying-
> the-barest-minimum-of-attention quizzes.

I was a reader at a young age. My father would read the comics and my 
favorite books to me while I was sitting on his lap. I loved Thornton 
Burgess.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thornton_W._Burgess

One day nobody was available to read to me and I needed my Jerry Muskrat 
fix so I read it. They thought I was faking it until I read it aloud to 
prove I wasn't.

I don't know how well that skill worked out in the long run. I skipped 
kindergarten and started 1st grade at 4 so I was always about two years 
younger than my classmates. That really sucked in high school when I 
wasn't old enough for driver's ed, let alone driving.

I liked the books, the reports not so much. They expanded my vocabulary. 
My 7th grade English teacher didn't know what a octoroon was, let alone 
where I picked it up. My mother had left Frank Yerby's 'The Foxes of 
Harrow' lying around. I read it several times in fact. Set in the 
Antebellum South with a lot of action including duels, exploding 
steamboats, and the Civil War, what was not to like?  Some of the more 
complex race relations more or less went over my head.

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