Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ?

From	rbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Newsgroups	comp.os.linux.misc
Subject	Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ?
Date	2026-03-09 08:36 +0000
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On Mon, 09 Mar 2026 00:27:02 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

> On 2026-03-08, Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> rbowman <bowman@montana.com> writes:
>>
>>> You don't necessarily have to use a venv if what you're doing is
>>> covered by the standard Python packages but there is a strong attempt
>>> to herd you into a venv.
>>
>> The design seems better than defaulting to getting into a ‘duelling
>> packaging systems’ mess, and looks like it’s straightforward to
>> override the restriction if appropriate.
> 
> This thread has been making my eyes glaze over.  I was thinking of
> writing a small utility in Python to get to know the language, but this
> discussion is scaring me off.  To quote the old Depression-era saying:
> "Is this trip really necessary?"

It all depends on what you want to do. A lot of functionality is included 
in the system site-packages or in python3 itself and you can get pretty 
far. For example you could do GUIs with PyTk out of the box afaik. I 
prefer PySide6, the Qt binding, so my venv for that has

PySide6==6.10.2
PySide6_Addons==6.10.2
PySide6_Essentials==6.10.2
shiboken6==6.10.2

Start messing around with ML or data analysis and you wind up with 

contourpy==1.3.2
cycler==0.12.1
fonttools==4.58.5
joblib==1.5.1
kiwisolver==1.4.8
matplotlib==3.10.3
numpy==2.3.1
packaging==25.0
pandas==2.3.1
pillow==11.3.0
pyparsing==3.2.3
python-dateutil==2.9.0.post0
pytz==2025.2
scikit-learn==1.7.0
scipy==1.16.0
six==1.17.0
threadpoolctl==3.6.0
tzdata==2025.2


Some of those you don't even install yourself but are pulled in by other 
packages. pillow is for image handling and I assume at least matplotlib 
needs it.

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Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-03-08 05:31 -0400
  Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-08 18:57 +0000
    Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-08 19:54 +0000
      Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-08 21:44 +0000
        Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-08 22:05 +0000
          Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-03-09 00:27 +0000
            Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-03-08 21:14 -0400
              Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-03-09 02:47 +0000
                Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-03-09 02:59 +0000
                Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-03-09 00:23 -0400
                Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-09 03:55 +0000
                Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-03-09 00:28 -0400
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                Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-03-10 02:49 -0400
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                Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-03-10 14:55 +0000
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                Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? Jon Ribbens <jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu> - 2026-03-10 17:09 +0000
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                Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? Jon Ribbens <jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu> - 2026-03-11 11:58 +0000
                Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-10 17:56 +0000
                Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-03-10 18:13 +0000
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                Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-03-11 20:19 +0000
                Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? Piergiorgio Sartor <piergiorgio.sartor.this.should.not.be.used@nexgo.REMOVETHIS.de> - 2026-03-11 21:51 +0100
                Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-11 21:35 +0000
                Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-12 02:14 +0000
                Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-12 02:11 +0000
                Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-12 10:39 +0000
                Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-12 20:51 +0000
                Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-03-13 09:34 +0000
                Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-13 21:49 +0000
                Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-03-13 23:28 +0000
                Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-14 01:17 +0000
                Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-03-14 03:21 -0400
                Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-14 12:23 +0000
                Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-14 19:18 +0000
                Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-10 19:36 +0000
                Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-10 18:26 +0000
                Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-03-09 00:03 -0400
                Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-09 08:59 +0000
                Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-09 08:52 +0000
                Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-03-09 16:34 +0000
                Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-09 22:17 +0000
                Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-03-10 02:38 -0400
              Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-09 08:41 +0000
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                Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-10 18:24 +0000
                Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-03-11 04:20 -0400
                Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-03-11 18:52 +0000
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                Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-03-11 20:14 +0000
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            Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-09 08:36 +0000
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