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Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ?

From rbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Newsgroups comp.os.linux.misc
Subject Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ?
Date 2026-03-09 01:34 +0000
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On Sun, 08 Mar 2026 22:05:37 +0000, Richard Kettlewell wrote:

> rbowman <bowman@montana.com> writes:
>> You don't necessarily have to use a venv if what you're doing is
>> covered by the standard Python packages but there is a strong attempt
>> to herd you into a venv.
> 
> The design seems better than defaulting to getting into a ‘duelling
> packaging systems’ mess, and looks like it’s straightforward to override
> the restriction if appropriate.

I've gotten used to it and don't find it cumbersome but I also use dotnet, 
express, arduino_cli that generate the skeleton of a project. 

I've never tried a package that Fedora wants to install to the user's 
space. Arch generates an error similar to the Ubuntu one. ruff isn't a 
good test on either of those since both distros have a python-ruff package 
that can be installed with dnf or pacman. I don't know why Ubuntu doesn't 
since ruff is a general purpose tool like black. The PEP does say distros 
roll their own. As the distros use more Python behind the scenes they have 
a real interest in people not randomly installing to the system packages. 

I fired up the Leap 16 VM and it gives the same external message as 
Fedora. 'sudo zypper install python3-ruff' works on that too.

There may still be more forgiving distros but with the Debian, Arch, 
Fedora, and SUSE families working mostly the same I think C12345 better 
embrace venv.

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Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-03-08 05:31 -0400
  Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-08 18:57 +0000
    Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-08 19:54 +0000
      Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-08 21:44 +0000
        Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-08 22:05 +0000
          Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-03-09 00:27 +0000
            Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-03-08 21:14 -0400
              Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-03-09 02:47 +0000
                Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-03-09 02:59 +0000
                Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-03-09 00:23 -0400
                Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-09 03:55 +0000
                Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-03-09 00:28 -0400
                Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? Jon Ribbens <jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu> - 2026-03-09 08:16 +0000
                Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-09 13:59 +0000
                Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-03-10 02:49 -0400
                Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-10 08:47 +0000
                Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-03-10 06:14 -0400
                Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-03-10 14:55 +0000
                Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-03-10 13:03 -0400
                Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? Jon Ribbens <jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu> - 2026-03-10 17:09 +0000
                Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-03-11 02:48 -0400
                Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-11 07:32 +0000
                Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-11 08:40 +0000
                Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? Gilmeh Serda <gilmeh.serda@nothing.here.invalid> - 2026-03-13 06:07 +0000
                Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-03-13 02:48 -0400
                Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? Jon Ribbens <jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu> - 2026-03-11 11:58 +0000
                Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-10 17:56 +0000
                Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-03-10 18:13 +0000
                Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-10 23:51 +0000
                Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? Piergiorgio Sartor <piergiorgio.sartor.this.should.not.be.used@nexgo.REMOVETHIS.de> - 2026-03-10 19:14 +0100
                Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? mm0fmf <none@invalid.com> - 2026-03-11 17:14 +0000
                Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-03-11 20:19 +0000
                Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? Piergiorgio Sartor <piergiorgio.sartor.this.should.not.be.used@nexgo.REMOVETHIS.de> - 2026-03-11 21:51 +0100
                Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-11 21:35 +0000
                Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-12 02:14 +0000
                Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-12 02:11 +0000
                Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-12 10:39 +0000
                Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-12 20:51 +0000
                Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-03-13 09:34 +0000
                Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-13 21:49 +0000
                Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-03-13 23:28 +0000
                Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-14 01:17 +0000
                Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-03-14 03:21 -0400
                Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-14 12:23 +0000
                Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-14 19:18 +0000
                Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-10 19:36 +0000
                Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-10 18:26 +0000
                Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-03-09 00:03 -0400
                Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-09 08:59 +0000
                Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-09 08:52 +0000
                Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-03-09 16:34 +0000
                Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-09 22:17 +0000
                Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-03-10 02:38 -0400
              Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-09 08:41 +0000
                Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-09 09:45 +0000
                Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-03-10 06:21 -0400
                Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-10 18:24 +0000
                Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-03-11 04:20 -0400
                Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-03-11 18:52 +0000
                Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-11 19:39 +0000
                Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-03-11 20:14 +0000
                Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-11 23:00 +0000
                Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-03-10 15:02 +0000
            Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-09 01:36 +0000
            Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-09 08:36 +0000
          Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-09 01:34 +0000
            Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-03-08 22:11 -0400
              Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-09 08:26 +0000

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