Re: (Excessive?) Complexity

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On Sun, 09 Feb 2025 11:32:45 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

> I write data collection software.  We have to handle data from all sorts
> of different devices, some of which generate data whose format varies
> only slightly from each other. Good luck talking the vendor into
> changing his specs to something more standard (or, worst case, something
> that is even syntactically correct).  You can create a different program
> for each layout, or you can write a front-end which resolves the
> differences.  At this point, designing code which can automatically
> identify which format we're dealing with is a win, since it's one less
> configuration setting that the customer can get wrong (and one less
> headache for the support people).

We've got one of those Swiss Army Knife apps for AVL (Automatic Vehicle 
Location). 25 years ago Trimble was the big name, at least in the 
emergency services world and the devices were fairly expensive. TAIP was 
their creation.

https://kipdf.com/trimble-ascii-interface-protocol-
taip_5ac59a361723ddd07a3fd408.html

As time went on NMEA became more popular.

https://www.gpsworld.com/what-exactly-is-gps-nmea-data/

Of course there were companies that use their own scheme including packed 
binary data. The actual interface might be UDP, TCP, or even serial for 
the old stuff. There are a bunch of configuration options but when the 
dust settles we get a latitude and longitude to show the vehicle on a 
map. 

Other times it makes more sense to have separate applications, reusing the 
common code. The problem with maintaining Swiss Army knives is trying to 
figure out what they're doing.  I added a DMPP-2020 protocol to one that 
already had the functionality but the original programmer had obscured it 
so well I didn't recognize it.

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                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-02-11 13:26 -0600
              Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-02-11 13:25 -0600
          Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-08 22:16 +0100
            Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-02-08 23:41 +0000
              Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 "WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-02-08 23:42 -0500
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-09 11:49 +0100
              Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-09 11:38 +0100
              Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-02-09 20:47 +0000
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-09 22:46 +0100
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-02-10 07:59 +0000
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-10 12:17 +0100
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-10 19:53 +0000
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 "WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-02-10 22:41 -0500
            Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 "WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-02-08 23:40 -0500
              Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-09 11:47 +0100
              Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-02-09 20:49 +0000
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-09 22:48 +0100
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-02-09 23:03 +0000
              Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-02-10 18:40 +0000
            Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-02-12 16:03 -0600
        Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-02-08 19:27 +0000
          Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-08 19:53 +0000
          Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-08 22:19 +0100
            Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-02-08 14:23 -0700
            Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-02-10 18:40 +0000
              Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-10 22:41 +0100
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 "WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-02-10 19:11 -0500
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2025-02-11 05:04 +0000
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2025-02-11 05:18 +0000
              Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 "WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-02-10 18:31 -0500
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-02-10 15:55 -0800
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-11 01:59 +0000
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 "WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-02-11 00:23 -0500
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-11 06:46 +0000
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 "WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-02-11 02:04 -0500
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-11 19:07 +0000
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 "WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-02-11 20:43 -0500
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-12 02:49 +0000
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 "WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-02-11 22:50 -0500
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-12 06:28 +0000
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 "WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-02-12 12:25 -0500
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-02-12 10:16 -0800
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-02-12 18:40 +0000
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-12 18:50 +0000
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 "WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-02-12 16:24 -0500
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-13 07:35 +0000
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-02-13 11:22 +0000
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-02-12 09:08 -0500
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-12 18:58 +0000
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 "WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-02-12 16:56 -0500
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-13 07:22 +0000
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-02-12 20:20 +0000
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 "WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-02-12 17:16 -0500
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-02-14 05:00 +0000
          Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 "WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-02-08 22:44 -0500
            Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-02-09 20:51 +0000
    (Excessive?) Complexity Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-02-08 18:57 +0000
      Re: (Excessive?) Complexity The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-02-08 19:31 +0000
        Re: (Excessive?) Complexity "WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-02-08 23:23 -0500
          Re: (Excessive?) Complexity D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-09 11:45 +0100
            Re: (Excessive?) Complexity rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-09 19:49 +0000
              Re: (Excessive?) Complexity D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-09 22:39 +0100
                Re: (Excessive?) Complexity Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-02-11 13:21 -0600
              Re: (Excessive?) Complexity Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-02-09 22:43 +0000
            Re: (Excessive?) Complexity The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-02-09 20:56 +0000
              Re: (Excessive?) Complexity D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-09 22:50 +0100
                Re: (Excessive?) Complexity rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-10 07:50 +0000
                Re: (Excessive?) Complexity The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-02-10 08:35 +0000
                Re: (Excessive?) Complexity D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-10 12:20 +0100
                Re: (Excessive?) Complexity rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-10 19:02 +0000
                Re: (Excessive?) Complexity D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-10 12:09 +0100
                Re: (Excessive?) Complexity rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-10 18:58 +0000
                Re: (Excessive?) Complexity D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-10 22:42 +0100
          Re: (Excessive?) Complexity Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-02-09 11:32 +0000
            Re: (Excessive?) Complexity rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-09 19:43 +0000
      Re: (Excessive?) Complexity "WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-02-08 22:49 -0500
      Re: (Excessive?) Complexity vjp2.at@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com - 2025-02-25 19:34 +0000

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