Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1

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Subject	Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1
Date	2025-02-13 22:10 +0100
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On Thu, 13 Feb 2025, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> On 13/02/2025 04:41, WokieSux282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>> On 2/12/25 11:01 PM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 12/02/2025 22:54, John Ames wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 12 Feb 2025 17:09:18 -0500
>>>> "WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> As for including size info in arrays ... makes good sense to me. EZ
>>>>> to know what you're dealing with. Liked the old short-strings in
>>>>> Turbo - the first byte was the string length.
>>>> 
>>>> There's definitely an argument to be made for including bounds info as
>>>> part of the array structure. There's no argument (that I've ever heard)
>>>> to be made for making it part of the *type specification.* Any line of
>>>> reasoning that says a carton of six eggs and a carton of twelve eggs
>>>> are somehow different *kinds* of objects and their contents incomparable
>>>> is fundamentally deranged.
>>>> 
>>> The problem with languages designed to let stupid people program safely is 
>>> that as in the case with all highest common factor legislation, the 
>>> majority suffers to protect the few idiots from themselves.
>> 
>>
>>    But IS THERE ANY OTHER WAY ???
>> 
> Yes.
>
>>    There have always been some idiots in programming/development.
>>    That percentage, for a number of reasons, seems to have steeply
>>    increased.
>>
>>    Almost ALL of western economies absolutely DEPEND on the
>>    net/cloud/systems in order to function - commerce, banking,
>>    the infrastructure, transport, energy, supply/demand, mil
>>    and security - ALL of it.
>>
>>    As it appears very difficult to weed out the idiots, and
>>    years to create a new class of Competent, the second tier
>>    approach is to COPE with them. Alas this means much more
>>    'idiot-proof' computer languages/systems no matter the
>>    cost/hassle to the competent fraction.
>> 
> You can trade efficiency of the generated code for efficiency in writing it. 
> By adopting standard engineering practicves iof quality control
>
> Code needs to be tested and certified like an aircraft or a car.,  and if it 
> doesn't work it needs to go back and be fixed by random code monkeys until it 
> works better.
>
> And once you have a good stable design dont fuck with it.
>
> Modern software is always being randomly fiddled with to make it more 
> marketable.

There are good examples I think we could learn from. SQlite and Postgres 
come to mind as software projects that have been quite solid.

I will meet the creator of curl in a few months, and I will ask (if I 
remember) his opinion on how to write good quality software.

>>    Nobody wants to hear this, but Real is Real.
>>
>>    As for including type info - limits and more - the effective
>>    overhead in these days of gigabit flow and GHz multicore chips
>>    is negligible. As such I'd say to include it one way or another.
>
> Well it isn't negligible. My friend who does research into huge mathematical 
> matrices has been busy translating some Intel assembler that makes use of 512 
> bit registers, into C.
> So he can port the code to ARM. It runs at a shade less than half the speed.
> Since a full run takes several months, this is significant.
>
> He really doesn't need some random memory management getting in the way. His 
> arrays typically exceed the memory size of the machine (128Gbyte I think) and 
> need custom tuning to get swapped in and out efficiently.
>
> I think the real problem is that code is written for consumers, even when it 
> needs to be of professional quality. Banking software that ought to be rock 
> solid COBOL is given a pretty face with java and javascript to make the thing 
> appeal to modern numpties who think that a smart phone is 'hi tech' and where 
> it's at..
>
>

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  Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 "WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-02-08 02:36 -0500
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              Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-02-11 13:25 -0600
          Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-08 22:16 +0100
            Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-02-08 23:41 +0000
              Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 "WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-02-08 23:42 -0500
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-09 11:49 +0100
              Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-09 11:38 +0100
              Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-02-09 20:47 +0000
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-09 22:46 +0100
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-02-10 07:59 +0000
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-10 12:17 +0100
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-10 19:53 +0000
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 "WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-02-10 22:41 -0500
            Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 "WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-02-08 23:40 -0500
              Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-09 11:47 +0100
              Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-02-09 20:49 +0000
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-09 22:48 +0100
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-02-09 23:03 +0000
              Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-02-10 18:40 +0000
            Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-02-12 16:03 -0600
        Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-02-08 19:27 +0000
          Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-08 19:53 +0000
          Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-08 22:19 +0100
            Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-02-08 14:23 -0700
            Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-02-10 18:40 +0000
              Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-10 22:41 +0100
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 "WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-02-10 19:11 -0500
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2025-02-11 05:04 +0000
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2025-02-11 05:18 +0000
              Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 "WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-02-10 18:31 -0500
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-02-10 15:55 -0800
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-11 01:59 +0000
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 "WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-02-11 00:23 -0500
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-11 06:46 +0000
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 "WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-02-11 02:04 -0500
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-11 19:07 +0000
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 "WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-02-11 20:43 -0500
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-12 02:49 +0000
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 "WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-02-11 22:50 -0500
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-12 06:28 +0000
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 "WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-02-12 12:25 -0500
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-02-12 10:16 -0800
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-02-12 18:40 +0000
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-12 18:50 +0000
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 "WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-02-12 16:24 -0500
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-13 07:35 +0000
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-02-13 11:22 +0000
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-02-12 09:08 -0500
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-12 18:58 +0000
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 "WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-02-12 16:56 -0500
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-13 07:22 +0000
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-02-12 20:20 +0000
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 "WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-02-12 17:16 -0500
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-02-14 05:00 +0000
          Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 "WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-02-08 22:44 -0500
            Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-02-09 20:51 +0000
    (Excessive?) Complexity Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-02-08 18:57 +0000
      Re: (Excessive?) Complexity The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-02-08 19:31 +0000
        Re: (Excessive?) Complexity "WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-02-08 23:23 -0500
          Re: (Excessive?) Complexity D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-09 11:45 +0100
            Re: (Excessive?) Complexity rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-09 19:49 +0000
              Re: (Excessive?) Complexity D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-09 22:39 +0100
                Re: (Excessive?) Complexity Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-02-11 13:21 -0600
              Re: (Excessive?) Complexity Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-02-09 22:43 +0000
            Re: (Excessive?) Complexity The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-02-09 20:56 +0000
              Re: (Excessive?) Complexity D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-09 22:50 +0100
                Re: (Excessive?) Complexity rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-10 07:50 +0000
                Re: (Excessive?) Complexity The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-02-10 08:35 +0000
                Re: (Excessive?) Complexity D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-10 12:20 +0100
                Re: (Excessive?) Complexity rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-10 19:02 +0000
                Re: (Excessive?) Complexity D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-10 12:09 +0100
                Re: (Excessive?) Complexity rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-10 18:58 +0000
                Re: (Excessive?) Complexity D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-10 22:42 +0100
          Re: (Excessive?) Complexity Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-02-09 11:32 +0000
            Re: (Excessive?) Complexity rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-09 19:43 +0000
      Re: (Excessive?) Complexity "WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-02-08 22:49 -0500
      Re: (Excessive?) Complexity vjp2.at@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com - 2025-02-25 19:34 +0000

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