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Re: (Excessive?) Complexity

Subject Re: (Excessive?) Complexity
Newsgroups comp.os.linux.misc, comp.os.linux.advocacy
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From "WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net>
Organization WokieSux
Date 2025-02-08 22:49 -0500
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On 2/8/25 1:57 PM, Lars Poulsen wrote:
> On 2025-02-08, WokieSux282@ud0s4.net <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> wrote:
>>     Anyway, of late, software "improvements" have
>>     too often been the exact opposite. What alien
>>     universe do these 'improvers' COME from ???
>>
>>     IMHO, a lot of this is just "busy work" from
>>     people looking for something to do. Their
>>     idea of "better" means "better for ME - and
>>     screw YOU". It's not better for the average,
>>     or even professional, user.
>>
>>     Maybe we need a new branch ... Linux-2004 ...
>>     with all the good stuff and none of these
>>     "improvements" ??? Linux and related was
>>     damned good from the start, SOLID by 2004.
>>
>>     It worked. It was kinda simple. You COULD
>>     figure it out without committing suicide.
>>     NOW, it just seems to be becoming an
>>     incomprehensible ever-mutating MESS - Winders
>>     by another name.
> 
> Much of the complexity that you do not approve of, seems to me to be
> related to Linux's ambition to produce code that works on everything
> from an embedded IoT device to a high-performance laptop to a clustered
> datacenter rack from a single set of source files.
> 
> Back "in the Golden Age", the spectrum of systems that the code was
> expected to support was much narrower; that would tend to make the code
> much simpler and more readable.


   I understand your point - TO a point.

   However going for "everything for everybody everywhere"
   in PRACTICE yields bloated un-debuggable un-documentatable
   code.

   Might be FAR better to write an 'Android version' and
   'iPhone version" and 'Linux version' kinda independently.
   The deeper functions tend to be more portable, but the
   interface stuff varies SO widely between platforms that
   trying to make an all-in-one app generally yields disaster.
   You don't really save time/effort.

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                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 "WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-02-10 22:41 -0500
            Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 "WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-02-08 23:40 -0500
              Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-09 11:47 +0100
              Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-02-09 20:49 +0000
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-09 22:48 +0100
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-02-09 23:03 +0000
              Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-02-10 18:40 +0000
            Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-02-12 16:03 -0600
        Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-02-08 19:27 +0000
          Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-08 19:53 +0000
          Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-08 22:19 +0100
            Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-02-08 14:23 -0700
            Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-02-10 18:40 +0000
              Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-10 22:41 +0100
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 "WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-02-10 19:11 -0500
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2025-02-11 05:04 +0000
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2025-02-11 05:18 +0000
              Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 "WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-02-10 18:31 -0500
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-02-10 15:55 -0800
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-11 01:59 +0000
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 "WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-02-11 00:23 -0500
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-11 06:46 +0000
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 "WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-02-11 02:04 -0500
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-11 19:07 +0000
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 "WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-02-11 20:43 -0500
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-12 02:49 +0000
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 "WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-02-11 22:50 -0500
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-12 06:28 +0000
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 "WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-02-12 12:25 -0500
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-02-12 10:16 -0800
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-02-12 18:40 +0000
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-12 18:50 +0000
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 "WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-02-12 16:24 -0500
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-13 07:35 +0000
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-02-13 11:22 +0000
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-02-12 09:08 -0500
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-12 18:58 +0000
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 "WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-02-12 16:56 -0500
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-13 07:22 +0000
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-02-12 20:20 +0000
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 "WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-02-12 17:16 -0500
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-02-14 05:00 +0000
          Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 "WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-02-08 22:44 -0500
            Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-02-09 20:51 +0000
    (Excessive?) Complexity Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-02-08 18:57 +0000
      Re: (Excessive?) Complexity The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-02-08 19:31 +0000
        Re: (Excessive?) Complexity "WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-02-08 23:23 -0500
          Re: (Excessive?) Complexity D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-09 11:45 +0100
            Re: (Excessive?) Complexity rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-09 19:49 +0000
              Re: (Excessive?) Complexity D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-09 22:39 +0100
                Re: (Excessive?) Complexity Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-02-11 13:21 -0600
              Re: (Excessive?) Complexity Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-02-09 22:43 +0000
            Re: (Excessive?) Complexity The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-02-09 20:56 +0000
              Re: (Excessive?) Complexity D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-09 22:50 +0100
                Re: (Excessive?) Complexity rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-10 07:50 +0000
                Re: (Excessive?) Complexity The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-02-10 08:35 +0000
                Re: (Excessive?) Complexity D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-10 12:20 +0100
                Re: (Excessive?) Complexity rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-10 19:02 +0000
                Re: (Excessive?) Complexity D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-10 12:09 +0100
                Re: (Excessive?) Complexity rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-10 18:58 +0000
                Re: (Excessive?) Complexity D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-10 22:42 +0100
          Re: (Excessive?) Complexity Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-02-09 11:32 +0000
            Re: (Excessive?) Complexity rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-09 19:43 +0000
      Re: (Excessive?) Complexity "WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-02-08 22:49 -0500
      Re: (Excessive?) Complexity vjp2.at@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com - 2025-02-25 19:34 +0000

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