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Re: The joy of Democracy

From rbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Newsgroups alt.folklore.computers, comp.os.linux.misc
Subject Re: The joy of Democracy
Date 2024-10-06 03:12 +0000
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On Sat, 5 Oct 2024 19:04:16 -0000 (UTC), Lars Poulsen wrote:

> Ranked choice eliminates the "wasted vote" issue with third parties, and
> can allow a startup party to gradually become viable. And it tends to
> drive the candidates towards the center. If the "top four" are all
> republicans, the winner will be the one who is least offensive to the
> minority democrats.

I will vote for the initiatives but I really don't think it will have much 
effect. I received the voter information pamphlet today. It's put out by 
the Montana secretary of state and for initiatives it has the text of the 
initiative, arguments for and against, and the rebuttals. 

The problem it's trying to solve is somewhat unique to Montana. There 
isn't the concept of being a registered Republican or whatever. For this 
years primary I received 4 ballots, Republican, Democrat, Libertarian, and 
Green. Fill out one and discard the other three.

Suppose I pick the Democrat ballot but feel that for a particular office 
the Green candidate is better. Can't do it. There's another little facet. 
Suppose I'm a Libertarian. Their ballot often only has one person for each 
office so there's no need to fill it out. I can fill out the Republican 
ballot and select what I feel is the worst candidate.

Those against the initiative point out that with one primary ballot with 
everyone on it you might have 13 candidates for dog catcher, 4 
Republicans, 5 Democrats, and 2 each Libertarian and Green. Good luck 
sorting that mess out.

Then in the general election you get the top 4. From the historic patterns 
the Greens and Libertarians won't make it. As is they struggle to get 
enough votes to even stay on the ballots. State wide I think the Democrats 
will get the short end so you might have 3 Republican dog catcher 
candidates and 1 Democrat. It's a purple state so you can get odd results. 
I forget which was which but for a while the governor and lieutenant 
governor were from different parties. 

The connected initiative requires a majority, not a plurality. That seems 
like a recipe for a least one run off for almost every office.

The other objection which I can't evaluate completely is that both 
initiatives were heavily funded by out of state interests rather than a 
real grass roots attempt and that the interests are trying to use Montana 
for an experiment. If it devolves into a fiasco they can say 'well that 
was interesting' and leave Montana to pay for the clean up.

> By the way - which state are you in?

Montana. With a total population of about 1 million this tail isn't 
wagging any dogs. Nationally only the Senate race is attracting interest 
-- and a lot of out of state money.

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        Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-30 20:19 +0000
      Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-30 13:08 +0100
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                Re: OT ; Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-02 02:40 +0000
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                Re: OT ; Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-02 07:29 +0000
                Re: OT ; Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-02 08:30 +0000
                Re: OT ; Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-02 16:46 +0000
                Re: OT ; Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-02 18:11 +0100
                Re: OT ; Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-02 22:33 +0000
                Re: OT ; Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-02 23:53 +0000
                Re: OT ; Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-03 02:10 +0000
                Re: OT ; Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-03 03:48 +0000
                Re: OT ; Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-03 10:56 +0100
                Re: OT ; Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-03 15:34 +0000
                Re: OT ; Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-03 18:38 +0000
                Re: OT ; Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-03 22:26 +0000
                Re: OT ; Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-04 03:26 +0000
                Re: OT ; Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-04 03:54 +0000
                Re: OT ; Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-04 10:47 +0100
                Re: OT ; Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-04 19:39 +0000
                Re: OT ; Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-03 22:24 +0000
                Re: OT ; Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-03 23:55 +0000
                Re: OT ; Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-04 00:38 +0000
                Re: OT ; Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-10-03 18:11 -0700
                Re: OT ; Re: The joy of Population Growth Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-04 01:46 +0000
                Re: OT ; Re: The joy of FORTRAN D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-04 10:20 +0200
                Re: OT ; Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-04 10:39 +0100
                Re: OT ; Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-04 17:06 +0000
                Re: OT ; Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-04 19:46 +0000
                Re: OT ; Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-04 10:33 +0100
                Re: OT ; Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-04 17:06 +0000
                Re: OT ; Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-04 03:01 +0000
                Re: OT ; Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-04 03:53 +0000
                Re: OT ; Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-04 07:45 +0000
                Re: OT ; Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-04 10:44 +0100
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                Re: OT ; Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-04 20:32 +0000
                Re: OT ; Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-04 20:31 +0000
                Re: OT ; Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-04 23:52 +0000
                Re: OT ; Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-05 06:16 +0000
                Re: OT ; Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-04 10:39 +0100
                Re: OT ; Re: The joy of FORTRAN scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-10-04 16:40 +0000
                Re: OT ; Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-04 21:05 +0100
                Re: OT ; Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-05 02:37 +0000
                Re: OT ; Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-10-02 18:07 -0700
                Re: OT ; Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-03 02:20 +0000
                Re: OT ; Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-03 10:52 +0100
                Re: The joy of Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-03 22:22 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-03 23:55 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-04 00:37 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-04 02:53 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-04 03:53 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-04 07:42 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-04 20:18 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-04 23:29 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-10-04 16:46 -0700
                Re: The joy of Democracy Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2024-10-05 08:31 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-05 06:19 +0000
                Re: The joy of 1950s Democracy John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2024-10-05 15:51 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy geodandw <geodandw@gmail.com> - 2024-10-10 12:18 -0400
                Re: The joy of Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-04 10:21 +0200
                Re: The joy of Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-04 19:19 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-04 22:24 +0200
                Re: The joy of Democracy Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-04 17:06 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-04 19:22 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-04 20:30 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-04 23:14 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-05 06:22 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-05 07:03 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-05 08:07 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-05 23:59 -0400
                Re: The joy of Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-06 13:44 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy geodandw <geodandw@gmail.com> - 2024-10-10 12:22 -0400
                Re: The joy of Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-04 20:26 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-04 23:42 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-10-05 07:57 -0700
                Re: The joy of Democracy R Daneel Olivaw <Danny@hyperspace.vogon.gov> - 2024-10-05 22:52 +0200
                Re: The joy of Democracy John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2024-10-05 22:20 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-06 03:21 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) - 2024-10-06 12:32 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-05 23:14 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-06 03:17 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2024-10-05 19:04 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-06 03:12 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-05 02:37 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-05 06:24 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-05 12:40 +0100
                Re: The joy of Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-05 23:46 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-10-06 15:58 -0700
                Re: The joy of Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-06 23:18 +0000
                Re: OT ; Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-10-03 16:34 -0700
                Re: OT ; Re: The joy of FORTRAN Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2024-10-04 11:03 +0000
                Re: OT ; Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-02 22:12 +0000
                Re: OT ; Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-02 11:22 +0100
                Re: OT ; Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-02 11:20 +0100
                Re: OT ; Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-02 22:13 +0000
      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-30 14:19 -0700
        Re: The joy of FORTRAN John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-09-30 14:43 -0700
        Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-01 18:52 +0000
          Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2024-10-01 09:29 -1000
            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2024-10-01 13:30 -1000
              Re: The joy of RISC Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-02 00:56 +0000
                Re: The joy of RISC Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2024-10-01 15:39 -1000
  Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-30 12:48 +0100
    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-30 21:58 +0000
      Re: The joy of FORTRAN candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-10-03 16:00 +0000
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          Re: The joy of FORTRAN candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-10-03 22:40 +0000
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              Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-04 10:44 +0100
              Re: The joy of FORTRAN candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-10-09 18:10 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-10-09 16:36 -0400
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-10 01:05 +0000
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                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-11 17:59 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-11 21:17 +0000
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                Re: The joy of FORTRAN scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-10-17 14:10 +0000
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                Re: The joy of FORTRAN scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-10-17 21:38 +0000
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                Re: The joy of FORTRAN D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-17 10:16 +0200
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-17 18:48 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-17 22:02 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-17 23:39 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-17 23:47 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-18 00:47 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-18 00:56 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-18 11:30 +0100
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-18 21:16 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-19 03:15 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-19 05:26 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-19 17:26 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-19 21:49 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-20 03:57 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-20 05:28 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-20 10:33 +0100
                Re: The joy of Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-19 18:52 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-19 21:50 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-20 01:36 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-20 05:00 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-19 10:26 +0100
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-19 18:53 +0200
                Re: The joy of Democracy Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2024-10-19 17:08 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy David LaRue <huey.dll@tampabay.rr.com> - 2024-10-19 17:27 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-19 18:59 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-19 21:52 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-20 01:52 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-20 10:21 +0100
                Re: The joy of Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-20 16:48 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-10-19 19:48 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-18 18:44 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-18 21:16 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-19 17:26 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-18 11:18 +0100
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-18 21:17 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-10-17 13:09 -0700
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-17 22:03 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-10-17 22:22 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-17 23:39 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-17 23:47 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-18 01:01 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-18 03:25 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-18 04:52 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-18 05:45 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-19 03:27 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-19 05:24 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-19 11:14 +0200
                Re: The joy of Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-19 19:09 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-19 22:11 +0200
                Re: The joy of Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-20 02:06 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-20 11:31 +0200
                Re: The joy of Democracy Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2024-10-18 07:48 -1000
                Re: The joy of Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-18 21:29 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-19 03:40 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2024-10-18 17:49 -1000
                Re: The joy of Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-18 11:27 +0100
                Re: The joy of Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-19 03:20 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-18 00:53 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-17 23:18 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-18 10:13 +0200
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-19 03:17 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-18 11:26 +0100
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-17 11:03 +0100
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-17 19:24 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-18 11:22 +0100
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-19 02:45 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-16 19:58 +0100
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-10-16 13:40 -0700
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN R Daneel Olivaw <Danny@hyperspace.vogon.gov> - 2024-10-17 10:17 +0200
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-10-17 09:02 -0700
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2024-10-17 20:30 +0100
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-17 22:01 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-17 23:50 -0400
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-18 04:17 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-18 02:15 -0400
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-18 11:25 +0100
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-18 21:10 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-18 04:35 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-18 05:41 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-18 02:25 -0400
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-18 18:44 +0000
                Re: The joy of Typography Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-18 21:15 +0000
                Re: The joy of Typography 186282ud0s3 <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-18 19:59 -0400
                Re: The joy of Typography Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-19 17:26 +0000
                Re: The joy of Typography The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-19 19:43 +0100
                Re: The joy of Typography Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-19 21:53 +0000
                Re: The joy of Typography Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2024-10-19 20:03 +0000
                Re: The joy of Typography Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-19 17:26 +0000
                Re: The joy of Typography Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-19 21:58 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-19 03:03 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-19 05:32 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-15 22:13 +0200
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-10-14 08:19 -0700
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-12 02:07 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-12 02:30 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-12 17:34 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-12 21:37 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-13 00:23 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Schlomo Goldberg <schlomo.goldberg@mailinator.com> - 2024-10-12 02:35 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-12 07:44 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-10-11 19:05 -0400
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-10-10 18:10 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-10-11 10:59 -0400
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-11 18:33 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-10-11 19:04 -0400
    Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-01 01:19 +0000

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