Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence

From	D <nospam@example.net>
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Subject	Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence
Date	2024-10-13 11:59 +0200
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On Sat, 12 Oct 2024, Phillip Frabott wrote:

> On 10/12/2024 16:55, D wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> On Sat, 12 Oct 2024, Phillip Frabott wrote:
>> 
>>> On 10/11/2024 04:53, D wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Thu, 11 Oct 2024, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> wrote:
>>>>>> Rich <rich@example.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>> In comp.os.linux.misc Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> wrote:
>>>>>>>> But RedHat, and its lackey Poettering,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> You should note that the lackey Poettering is now employed by his
>>>>>>> original handler when he was employed by RedHat: Microsoft.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lennart_Poettering
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>   Lennart Poettering (born 15 October 1980) is a German software
>>>>>>>   engineer working for Microsoft ...
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Microsoft is putting an awful lot of money into Linux. I consider that
>>>>>> a good thing.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I would prefer a free OS funded by lots of organisations putting a
>>>>> little money in, rather than relying on a few companies that invest
>>>>> a lot and whose individual opinions therefore matter. But beggers
>>>>> can't be choosers (although I can still choose old versions of
>>>>> Linux, like I'm using now, for some things).
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Microsoft funding something they don't own, usually boils down to:
>>>> 
>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguish .
>>> 
>>> I bothers me how many Linux users want these large corps money in the 
>>> game. It's dangerous in my opinion because these companies don't have 
>>> their users best interests at heart at all. And for Microsoft it's all EEE 
>>> anyways so Microsoft's Money in Linux is very bad news. (yes, pun intended 
>>> for those who got it).
>> 
>> I agree completely. That's why linux is becoming less good and more 
>> political. I've had dealings with the linux foundation, and it was all 
>> corporate CV stuffing and corporate bullsh*t.
>> 
>> But, another factor I think, is the age and size of the project. It is 
>> ossifying. Innovation is slowing down.
>> 
>> I often wonder if the community oriented people will turn to BSD, or if 
>> there will be a new kind of "big bang" that will generate something new, 
>> that will take off with lightning speed?
>
> Forgive me, I'm going to make the assumption that when you say Linux, you are 
> referring to GNU/Linux (Linux just being the kernel).
>
> I think the innovation is slowing down because GNU/Linux has finally caught 
> up to where other operating systems are today. The same could be said about 
> Windows or MacOS. They really aren't innovating with any speed either. My 
> biggest thing is that I hope with us at a point now where we have 
> technological parity with the other OSes, we can start to see projects finish 
> the 'last mile' of development. Most of the FOSS/OSS/Freedom Software out 
> there is 80% and they just stop developing as "good enough". Which it is, but 
> that extra 20% polish would really create a top notch system that can truly 
> rival and even overthrow the other operating systems. We should try to shift 
> our focus on building the software to 100% but finishing that polish needed 
> for most packages out there.
>
> (If you were referring to only the Linux kernel my statement still applies, 
> just leave the GNU bits of my statement out of it).
>

That's a good point. Maybe the OS-level is so mature, that not much 
remains to be added.

In terms of desktop, my retired father has happily used linux for 10+ 
years so I'd argue that given an honest look, the linux desktop is 
actually far better than any commercial alternatives.

But, being the tech-optimist that I am, that raises the question, will 
there be another paradigm shift in OS:s? If so, what could it be?

I think a Gibsonian cyberspace is probably not the future.

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      Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence tom <tom@invalid.tld> - 2024-10-08 18:54 -0500
        Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2024-10-09 10:51 +0000
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            Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-10-09 16:23 -0400
            Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-10-10 11:08 +0200
              Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-10 18:54 +0000
                Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence Phillip Frabott <nntp@fulltermprivacy.com> - 2024-10-10 16:10 -0400
                Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-10 22:13 +0000
                Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence Phillip Frabott <nntp@fulltermprivacy.com> - 2024-10-12 12:46 -0400
                Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-12 22:57 +0200
                Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence Phillip Frabott <nntp@fulltermprivacy.com> - 2024-10-12 20:48 -0400
                Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-13 11:56 +0200
                Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence Phillip Frabott <nntp@fulltermprivacy.com> - 2024-10-13 09:56 -0400
                Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-13 22:34 +0200
                Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence Phillip Frabott <nntp@fulltermprivacy.com> - 2024-10-13 18:41 -0400
                Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2024-10-13 23:47 +0000
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                Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-14 11:45 +0200
                Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-14 11:46 +0100
                Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-14 14:47 +0200
                Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-14 18:27 +0100
                Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-14 21:56 +0200
                Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-14 22:33 +0000
                Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-15 00:10 +0100
                Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-15 10:19 +0200
                Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-15 13:20 +0100
                Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-15 22:21 +0200
                Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-14 13:55 +0000
                Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence Phillip Frabott <nntp@fulltermprivacy.com> - 2024-10-14 13:13 -0400
                Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-14 18:42 +0100
                Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-14 18:39 +0100
                Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-14 21:57 +0200
                Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-15 00:11 +0100
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                Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-15 10:09 +0200
                Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-15 12:26 +0100
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                Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-16 19:51 +0100
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                Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-15 14:39 +0100
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                Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-14 21:48 +0200
                Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-14 23:49 +0100
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                Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-14 11:35 +0100
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                Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-10-11 08:28 +0200
                Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2024-10-12 07:57 +1000
                Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-11 10:53 +0200
                Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-11 18:36 +0000
                Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-11 22:00 +0200
                Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence Phillip Frabott <nntp@fulltermprivacy.com> - 2024-10-12 12:40 -0400
                Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence Phillip Frabott <nntp@fulltermprivacy.com> - 2024-10-12 12:43 -0400
                Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-12 22:55 +0200
                Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-13 00:40 +0000
                Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-13 11:50 +0200
                Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-13 13:04 +0100
                Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-13 18:39 +0000
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                Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-13 22:38 +0200
                Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence Phillip Frabott <nntp@fulltermprivacy.com> - 2024-10-12 20:56 -0400
                Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-13 11:59 +0200
                Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-13 13:23 +0100
                Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-13 18:27 +0000
                Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-13 22:39 +0200
                Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-14 11:21 +0100
                Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence Phillip Frabott <nntp@fulltermprivacy.com> - 2024-10-13 10:06 -0400
                Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-13 22:37 +0200
                Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence Phillip Frabott <nntp@fulltermprivacy.com> - 2024-10-13 18:51 -0400
                Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-13 13:06 +0100
          Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2024-10-09 14:43 +0000
        Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-10-09 18:10 +0000
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