Re: Using Debian to manage a multiple OS machine

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From	not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev)
Subject	Re: Using Debian to manage a multiple OS machine
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Date	2024-08-19 08:31 +1000
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Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> wrote:
> not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) wrote:
>>Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> wrote:
>>> A big part of grub is building the configuration, which is done by
>>> scripts that come from the respective distribution. And yes, there are
>>> differences in those scripts.
>>
>>The Debian one messed up a dual-boot set-up on me after an upgrade,
> 
> Which upgrade?

Too many years ago, can't remember.

> Did you file a bug?

That probably would have kept me busy a week or more, trying to
improve software that, compared to Extlinux, is being willfully
overcomplicated anyway. No I certainly didn't.

> Did you have a backup?

Yes, but actually I did away with the dual-boot in order to get
things fixed quickly. It was someone else's PC and I had limited
time, they decided they didn't really care about booting into the
old OS again anyway.

>>and there was no simple description of manual configuration in the
>>Grub docs.
> 
> Yes, that's a problem with grub: It has evolved to a full, low-level
> operating system, and it's almost impossible to use it without relying
> on the scripts to build a correct configuration.

That's amazing, such a huge step backwards, for what?

>>I've since replaced Grub2 with the Extlinux bootloader
>>everywhere (after determining that Grub "Legacy" doesn't work
>>booting new Linux distros anymore), which doesn't expect you to
>>rely on flaky scripts to make its equivalent of Grub Legacy's good
>>old menu.lst.
> 
> menu.lst was hard to write as well.

Not at all, here's booting Linux:

title [menu title]
kernel [kernel path & options]
makeactive
boot

Booting Windows on the first partition of the first disk:

title Windows 98SE 
root (hd0,0)
chainloader +1
makeactive
boot

What's hard? Fighting buggy scripts, that's hard. Old Grub just did
what you asked it to, like Syslinux/Extlinux mercifully still do.

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Using Debian to manage a multiple OS machine doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) - 2024-08-14 13:31 +0000
  Re: Using Debian to manage a multiple OS machine Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-08-14 18:13 +0200
    Re: Using Debian to manage a multiple OS machine ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) - 2024-08-14 16:43 +0000
      Re: Using Debian to manage a multiple OS machine Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@usenet.mail.kapsi.fi> - 2024-08-14 20:52 +0300
      Re: Using Debian to manage a multiple OS machine Marco Moock <mm+usenet-es@dorfdsl.de> - 2024-08-15 12:42 +0200
        Re: Using Debian to manage a multiple OS machine Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-08-16 10:12 +0200
          Re: Using Debian to manage a multiple OS machine Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-16 08:14 +0000
            Re: Using Debian to manage a multiple OS machine not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2024-08-17 10:00 +1000
            Re: Using Debian to manage a multiple OS machine Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-08-17 11:12 +0200
              Re: Using Debian to manage a multiple OS machine "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-08-17 23:40 -0400
                Re: Using Debian to manage a multiple OS machine doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) - 2024-08-18 12:34 +0000
                Re: Using Debian to manage a multiple OS machine "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-08-18 21:48 -0400
            Re: Using Debian to manage a multiple OS machine Jack Strangio  <jackstrangio@yahoo.com> - 2024-08-18 08:59 +0000
              Re: Using Debian to manage a multiple OS machine Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2024-08-18 11:02 +0100
                Re: Using Debian to manage a multiple OS machine Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-18 23:22 +0000
                Re: Using Debian to manage a multiple OS machine Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-08-18 23:37 +0000
                Re: Using Debian to manage a multiple OS machine Jack Strangio  <jackstrangio@yahoo.com> - 2024-08-19 06:01 +0000
                Re: Using Debian to manage a multiple OS machine Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-08-19 08:25 +0200
                Re: Using Debian to manage a multiple OS machine "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-08-21 00:21 -0400
                Re: Using Debian to manage a multiple OS machine Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-08-21 17:46 +0000
                Re: Using Debian to manage a multiple OS machine "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-08-22 01:06 -0400
                Re: Using Debian to manage a multiple OS machine The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-08-22 09:35 +0100
                Re: Using Debian to manage a multiple OS machine "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-08-23 02:24 -0400
                Re: Using Debian to manage a multiple OS machine Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-08-22 19:18 +0000
                Re: Using Debian to manage a multiple OS machine Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-23 02:23 +0000
                Re: Using Debian to manage a multiple OS machine "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-08-23 01:41 -0400
                Re: Using Debian to manage a multiple OS machine Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-23 05:54 +0000
                Re: Using Debian to manage a multiple OS machine vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2024-08-23 06:01 +0000
                Re: Using Debian to manage a multiple OS machine "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-08-23 02:37 -0400
                Re: Using Debian to manage a multiple OS machine Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-23 07:01 +0000
                Re: Using Debian to manage a multiple OS machine "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-08-24 00:43 -0400
                Re: Using Debian to manage a multiple OS machine Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-24 05:34 +0000
                Re: Using Debian to manage a multiple OS machine vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2024-08-23 10:46 +0000
                Re: Using Debian to manage a multiple OS machine "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-08-24 00:48 -0400
                Re: Using Debian to manage a multiple OS machine vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2024-08-24 15:59 +0000
              Re: Using Debian to manage a multiple OS machine Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-08-18 19:07 +0200
                Re: Using Debian to manage a multiple OS machine Jack Strangio  <jackstrangio@yahoo.com> - 2024-08-19 06:01 +0000
                Re: Using Debian to manage a multiple OS machine Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-08-19 08:26 +0200
                Re: Using Debian to manage a multiple OS machine Jack Strangio  <jackstrangio@yahoo.com> - 2024-08-20 03:37 +0000
                Re: Using Debian to manage a multiple OS machine "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-08-20 00:56 -0400
          Re: Using Debian to manage a multiple OS machine doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) - 2024-08-16 14:41 +0000
            Re: Using Debian to manage a multiple OS machine Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-08-17 11:13 +0200
              Re: Using Debian to manage a multiple OS machine doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) - 2024-08-17 14:00 +0000
                Re: Using Debian to manage a multiple OS machine Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-08-18 19:08 +0200
  Re: Using Debian to manage a multiple OS machine Marco Moock <mm+usenet-es@dorfdsl.de> - 2024-08-15 12:42 +0200
  Re: Using Debian to manage a multiple OS machine "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-08-17 00:37 -0400
    Re: Using Debian to manage a multiple OS machine Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-08-17 11:16 +0200
      Re: Using Debian to manage a multiple OS machine not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2024-08-18 09:12 +1000
        Re: Using Debian to manage a multiple OS machine Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-08-18 19:25 +0200
          Re: Using Debian to manage a multiple OS machine not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2024-08-19 08:31 +1000
            Re: Using Debian to manage a multiple OS machine Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-08-19 08:29 +0200
              Re: Using Debian to manage a multiple OS machine not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2024-08-20 08:02 +1000
                Re: Using Debian to manage a multiple OS machine "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-08-21 01:55 -0400
      Re: Using Debian to manage a multiple OS machine "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-08-17 22:24 -0400
        Re: Using Debian to manage a multiple OS machine Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-18 06:28 +0000
          Re: Using Debian to manage a multiple OS machine "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-08-18 21:38 -0400
            Re: Using Debian to manage a multiple OS machine Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-19 01:51 +0000
              Re: Using Debian to manage a multiple OS machine "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-08-20 00:08 -0400
                Re: Using Debian to manage a multiple OS machine Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-20 05:33 +0000
                Re: Using Debian to manage a multiple OS machine "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-08-20 23:08 -0400
        Re: Using Debian to manage a multiple OS machine Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-08-18 19:31 +0200
          Re: Using Debian to manage a multiple OS machine "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-08-18 21:08 -0400
            Re: Using Debian to manage a multiple OS machine Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-08-19 08:35 +0200
              Re: Using Debian to manage a multiple OS machine "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-08-19 03:19 -0400
                Re: Using Debian to manage a multiple OS machine Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-08-19 10:06 +0200
                Re: Using Debian to manage a multiple OS machine "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-08-20 00:36 -0400
                Re: Using Debian to manage a multiple OS machine not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2024-08-21 08:33 +1000
                Re: Using Debian to manage a multiple OS machine "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-08-20 23:03 -0400
    Re: Using Debian to manage a multiple OS machine doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) - 2024-08-17 13:59 +0000
      Re: Using Debian to manage a multiple OS machine "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-08-17 22:47 -0400
  Re: Using Debian to manage a multiple OS machine MarioCCCP <NoliMihiFrangereMentulam@libero.it> - 2024-08-19 18:18 +0200
    Re: Using Debian to manage a multiple OS machine The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-08-19 19:48 +0100
      Re: Using Debian to manage a multiple OS machine MarioCCCP <NoliMihiFrangereMentulam@libero.it> - 2024-08-20 14:10 +0200
    Re: Using Debian to manage a multiple OS machine Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-20 02:01 +0000
      Re: Using Debian to manage a multiple OS machine MarioCCCP <NoliMihiFrangereMentulam@libero.it> - 2024-08-20 14:15 +0200
      Re: Using Debian to manage a multiple OS machine jgd@cix.co.uk (John Dallman) - 2024-08-20 17:51 +0100
        Re: Using Debian to manage a multiple OS machine Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-21 01:29 +0000
          Re: Using Debian to manage a multiple OS machine "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-08-21 02:53 -0400
            Re: Using Debian to manage a multiple OS machine candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-08-22 20:30 +0000

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