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Subject Re: C/C++ timeline (was Re: Python: A Little Trick For Every Need)
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On Fri, 06 Feb 2026 22:29:37 +0000
Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> I don’t get on well with Java either, but I think the last two
> examples are written in an unnecessarily obscure fashion. I think you
> would normally write the following:
> 
>      Integer a = 2, b = 3;
>      Integer c = Integer.max(a, b);
> 
> ...which is certainly a trifle verbose, but not actively misleading.

I could've been clearer, I s'pose, but it was my point that there are,
for a random subset of math functions, multiple ways to write the same
thing, using classes with no direct relationship - java.lang.Math isn't
a subclass of java.lang.Number and its subclasses, nor the other way
around, nor is there some kind of Math<T> interface that they both
implement. (In fact, these methods aren't even part of Number - they
only belong to its subclasses individually!)

Why, then, do they duplicate functionality? Why some methods and not
others? Why are the methods for specific Number types static instead of
specific to the object, so that one could at least have Math.round(num)
for arbitrary number variables, but Double.round() for reflexive
rounding of a specific Double object?

It's just arbitrary and weird.

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