Re: climate change

From	Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid>
Newsgroups	comp.os.linux.misc, alt.usage.english
Subject	Re: climate change
Date	2025-09-30 00:14 +0100
Organization	A noiseless patient Spider
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On 2025-09-29, Rich Ulrich wrote:

> On Mon, 29 Sep 2025 18:59:15 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
> <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
[...]
>>- today's climate is 'bad' and getting  'worse'
>
> Pragmatically, Humans continue to add CO2.  The easy consequence
> (warming)  was predicted in the late 1800s. So, yes, while levels of 
> CO2 continue to go up, we get "climate change" which is disruptive, 
> plus the long range outcome (200 years) of flooding the cities where 
> most humans live.  
>
> Most discussions ignore the oceans: The surfaces are warming and
> becoming more acidic.  Reefs are dying.  I read a book about the
> Sixth Extinction that talkied about oceans.

«The ocean's dying. Plankton's dying. It's people. Soylent Green is made
out of people. They're making our food out of people.»

> Ending the INCREASE in CO2 is the first step toward REDUCING the
> fossil fuel contributions toward zero. Or otherwise removing CO2?

Also, overall improvements to reduce pollution tend to improve quality
of life.

>>- we can actually do something about it, when nothing has ever made it 
>>change in the past.
>
> Defeatist, much?  Humans probably made a desert of the Sahara by
> over-grazing goats; that lesson is applied on a smaller scale to 
> create green areas.  Humans have driven hundreds of species to 
> extinction, and regarding those losses as lesson is what led to 
> preservation efforts that are not yet total failures.

Thankfully things seem to be looking better for the Iberian lynx
now. Only 94 individuals around the turn of the century. Scary.

>>The whole think is like the Creation myth and the Garden Of Eden - 
>>perfection spolt by human activity shame and self awareness.
>
> Yeah, in a warped way.  My environmental readings omit religion. 
> Humans built cities on coasts.  Rising CO2 eventually implies rising 
> waters, and which flood those cities in a not-distant future. We  
> Woke folk have the capacity to recognize, "Mistakes are being made."

Isn't that *the* definition of woke, after all?

-- 
Nuno Silva

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