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  Oversized DVD notbob <notbob@notbob.invalid> - 2011-07-31 01:35 +0000
    Re: Oversized DVD notbob <notbob@notbob.invalid> - 2011-07-31 01:54 +0000
      Re: Oversized DVD J G Miller <miller@yoyo.ORG> - 2011-07-31 12:07 +0000
        Re: Oversized DVD notbob <notbob@notbob.invalid> - 2011-07-31 12:41 +0000
          Re: Oversized DVD J G Miller <miller@yoyo.ORG> - 2011-07-31 13:55 +0000
            Re: Oversized DVD notbob <notbob@notbob.invalid> - 2011-07-31 16:49 +0000
              Re: Oversized DVD J G Miller <miller@yoyo.ORG> - 2011-07-31 17:39 +0000
                Re: Oversized DVD notbob <notbob@notbob.invalid> - 2011-08-03 17:35 +0000
                  Re: Oversized DVD J G Miller <miller@yoyo.ORG> - 2011-08-03 19:22 +0000
                    Re: Oversized DVD Aragorn <stryder@telenet.be.invalid> - 2011-08-03 21:33 +0200
                      Re: Oversized DVD GangGreene <GangGreene@invalid.com> - 2011-08-03 16:23 -0400
                        Re: Oversized DVD Aragorn <stryder@telenet.be.invalid> - 2011-08-03 23:31 +0200
                          Re: Oversized DVD GangGreene <GangGreene@invalid.com> - 2011-08-03 17:50 -0400
                            Re: Oversized DVD Aragorn <stryder@telenet.be.invalid> - 2011-08-04 00:18 +0200
                            Re: Oversized DVD Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2011-08-03 15:38 -0700
                              Re: Oversized DVD GangGreene <GangGreene@invalid.com> - 2011-08-03 20:34 -0400
                              Re: Oversized DVD js@cs.tu-berlin.de (Joerg Schilling) - 2011-08-23 09:32 +0000
                          Re: Oversized DVD notbob <notbob@notbob.invalid> - 2011-08-04 00:03 +0000
                          Re: Oversized DVD js@cs.tu-berlin.de (Joerg Schilling) - 2011-08-23 09:34 +0000
                        Re: Oversized DVD js@cs.tu-berlin.de (Joerg Schilling) - 2011-08-23 09:46 +0000
                      Re: Oversized DVD js@cs.tu-berlin.de (Joerg Schilling) - 2011-08-23 09:55 +0000
                        Re: Oversized DVD GangGreene <GangGreene@invalid.com> - 2011-08-23 16:53 -0400
                    Re: Oversized DVD js@cs.tu-berlin.de (Joerg Schilling) - 2011-08-22 20:12 +0000
                      Re: Oversized DVD GangGreene <GangGreene@invalid.com> - 2011-08-22 16:36 -0400
                        Re: Oversized DVD js@cs.tu-berlin.de (Joerg Schilling) - 2011-08-23 09:20 +0000
                          Re: Oversized DVD GangGreene <GangGreene@invalid.com> - 2011-08-23 05:34 -0400
                  Re: Oversized DVD js@cs.tu-berlin.de (Joerg Schilling) - 2011-08-22 19:52 +0000
            Re: Oversized DVD Darren Salt <news@youmustbejoking.demon.cu.invalid> - 2011-07-31 17:48 +0000
    Re: Oversized DVD js@cs.tu-berlin.de (Joerg Schilling) - 2011-08-22 19:47 +0000

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#546 — Oversized DVD

I have an .iso file I want to burn, but it's about 6.1G.  Too big for
my simple DVD+R burner.  Short of buying a new burner, do I have any
options?  If no, do I need to buy a blu-ray?

nb

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#547

On 2011-07-31, notbob <notbob@notbob.invalid> wrote:
> I have an .iso file I want to burn, but it's about 6.1G.  Too big for
> my simple DVD+R burner.  Short of buying a new burner, do I have any
> options?  If no, do I need to buy a blu-ray?

Yes!

OK, I found the answer DVD9 (SS/DL) media.  The manual to my USB
player/burner says it can write this media.  Discs available on
Amazon, 20 pack fer $22.  

nb

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#548

On Sunday, July 31st, 2011 at 01:54:26h +0000, NotBoB wrote:

> OK, I found the answer DVD9 (SS/DL) media.  The manual to my USB
> player/burner says it can write this media.

Yes that is important because only newer models of DVD burners
support writing to double layer media either DVD-R DL or DVD+R DL.

Otherwise you would need to reduce the quality of the DVD9 content
and write that to a single layer DVD, with eg K9Copy

    <http://k9copy.sourceforge.NET/web/index.php/en/>

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#549

On 2011-07-31, J G Miller <miller@yoyo.ORG> wrote:
>
> Yes that is important because only newer models of DVD burners
> support writing to double layer media either DVD-R DL or DVD+R DL.

>     <http://k9copy.sourceforge.NET/web/index.php/en/>


Waaay cool!  I'm a bit apprehensive as to whether or not my cheapo
Lite-On burner will actually burn true DL, as the manual indicates it
with and asterisk next to it and I'm note sure if that's just a weird
bullet point or a footnote, which I can't seem to find.  K9Copy's
ability to pick and choose which content I actually want to retain and
burn would allow me to cut the original .iso down to < 4.3G and burn on
a std DVD5.  Thanks for the great tip, JG.  

nb

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#550

On Sunday, July 31st, 2011 at 12:41:27h +0000, NotBoB explained:

> I'm a bit apprehensive as to whether or not my cheapo
> Lite-On burner will actually burn true DL

Well "cheapo" is not necessarily low price.  You can buy a decent
DVD burner 22x or even 24x with DL capabilities for under USD 30
or even less, which is a huge price difference to when burners
used to above USD 100 or earlier USD 200 or more.

I would suggest you go to the LiteOn web page and see if you
can find your model number and check on the specifications there.

> K9Copy's ability to pick and choose which content I actually want to retain

Well if you do not actually need to copy everything (omitting the 
advertizing promo extras or maybe celebrity soundtrack or whatever extras)
then that will do the job and then no need to buy any DL DVD discs.

If you are going to do that, what I would suggest is to try
with a DVD-RW or DVD+RW first before burning a final DVD-R or DVD+R,
just to make sure you get what you want in a working state and
avoid any unecessary "coasters" headed to the recycling center
or worse, the land fill.

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#551

On 2011-07-31, J G Miller <miller@yoyo.ORG> wrote:

> I would suggest you go to the LiteOn web page and see if you
> can find your model number and check on the specifications there.

I did.  Besides, shows DVD+R DL right on the drawer.

>> K9Copy's ability to pick and choose which content I actually want to retain

> If you are going to do that, what I would suggest is to try
> with a DVD-RW or DVD+RW first before burning a final DVD-R or DVD+R,
> just to make sure you get what you want in a working state and
> avoid any unecessary "coasters" headed to the recycling center
> or worse, the land fill.

My primary problem at this point is K9Copy not reading the disc or the
file.  I have the entire .iso copy to my HDD, but it gives me a:

"Can't open disc: /path/foo.iso" 

.....error, despite 777 permissions.  When I load the orig disc and
try to input it, I have two options (that I know of).  One is to
file > open...  It doesn't work and k9copy crashes every time.  The other is
to play around with the main window input device, opening the file
gives an "open ISO image" window.  It shows the drive (/dev/rs0)
but with weird permissions:

dr---------

Clicking on the drive opens a progress bar showing 0% at the
left bottom corner of this window and the cursor turns into a
clockface (KDE), but nothing happens and it appears stalled.  The
drive LED also indicate no activity.  

Either way, I have been unable to find a screen that open to reveal
the dir tree of the disc, be it the DVD or the .iso file on my hdd.
Currently googling for solution.

nb

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#553

On Sunday, July 31st, 2011 at 16:49:39h +0000, NotBoB wrote:

> My primary problem at this point is K9Copy not reading the disc or the
> file.

I have just downloaded and installed K9Copy from Debian Testing
(same as Linux Mint Debian Edition) version 

  Package: k9copy
  Priority: optional
  Section: video
  Installed-Size: 3972
  Maintainer: Eshat Cakar <info@eshat.de>
  Architecture: i386
  Version: 2.3.7-1

I have inserted a DVD into my first DVD device.

It is essential that your permissions and ownership of your
DVD device file which should be /dev/sr0 for most modern distributions
be

    luser> ls -Fls /dev/sr0

    0 brw-rw---- 1 root cdrom 11, 0 2011-07-31 19:27 /dev/sr0

and that the users who are allowed to access this device to read
or write (in the case of a DVD burner) to it are members of the
cdrom group.

Obviously you do not have to use cdrom as the name of the group,
it could be burners, or dvdrom or some other name to indicate
the privilege.

I then fire up k9copy as an ordinary user who is a member of
cdrom group and lo and behold k9copy shows the input and output
device sr0 along with its description PHILIPS SPD6003P and the
structure of the disc.

I suggest your problem is due to permissions on the /dev/sr0

You say you have an iso file?  Is that readable by the user?
And have you tried mounting it to check its integrity and
contents?

    mount -o loop,ro /path_to_iso/name.iso  /mnt/loop

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#555

On 2011-07-31, J G Miller <miller@yoyo.ORG> wrote:

>     mount -o loop,ro /path_to_iso/name.iso  /mnt/loop


That's a neat trick.  Never thought of mounting a single file, before.

Anyway, I tried mounting as above, which worked fine, and as
/mnt/cdrom/ of which there is a group with correct permissions and so
that also worked, finally.  Either way, all I see are two files
audio.ts and video.ts and can't seem to break either down into
editable sub files.  It was this way with the other two DVDs I
successfully copied, but they were smaller and would fit on a std
DVD5.

I think I'll jes buy some DVD9's and go that route.  My burner is
capable, but is k3b able to burn DL DVDs?

nb

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#556

On Wed, 03 Aug 2011 17:35:22 +0000, NotBob wrote:

> That's a neat trick.  Never thought of mounting a single file, before.

Yup, that is the way of mounting ISOs or disk images.

> Either way, all I see are two files audio.ts and video.ts

Are you sure this is a video DVD?  ts would denote transport stream,
which is the sort of file you would get when say recording off air TV.

A video DVD has a well defined structure and VOB files.

> My burner is capable, but is k3b able to burn DL DVDs?

I may be wrong but I would guess k3b does not care.

I would think that it is libata interface module which has to be able
to do the right thing in communicating with the actual single or double
layer hardware, but I could be in error and welcome correction.

Remember though that k3b is only a GUI and all of the actual writing
is done underneath by a combination of wodim or cdrskin, cdparanoia, cdrdao, 
and genisoimage, and I would guess that these have to be SL/DL aware in
order to work out if the sizes of the images to burn are within the
appropriate limits.

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#557

On Wednesday 03 August 2011 21:22 in comp.os.linux.hardware, J G Miller 
enlightened humanity with the following words...:

> On Wed, 03 Aug 2011 17:35:22 +0000, NotBob wrote:
> 
>> That's a neat trick.  Never thought of mounting a single file,
>> before.
> 
> Yup, that is the way of mounting ISOs or disk images.
> 
>> Either way, all I see are two files audio.ts and video.ts
> 
> Are you sure this is a video DVD?  ts would denote transport stream,
> which is the sort of file you would get when say recording off air TV.
> 
> A video DVD has a well defined structure and VOB files.
> 
>> My burner is capable, but is k3b able to burn DL DVDs?
> 
> I may be wrong but I would guess k3b does not care.
> 
> I would think that it is libata interface module which has to be able
> to do the right thing in communicating with the actual single or
> double layer hardware, but I could be in error and welcome correction.
> 
> Remember though that k3b is only a GUI and all of the actual writing
> is done underneath by a combination of wodim or cdrskin, cdparanoia,
> cdrdao, and genisoimage, and I would guess that these have to be SL/DL
> aware in order to work out if the sizes of the images to burn are
> within the appropriate limits.

I don't know whether wodim supports burning double-layer DVDs, but Joerg 
Schilling's original cdrtools - of which wodim is an old and (I believe) 
unmaintained version - does support it.

As I understand it, many (bu tnot all) distributions include wodim 
because of some silly argument between Schilling and the Debian 
developers, which resulted in Schilling licensing cdrtools under the 
CDDL, which according to the politically correct Debian guys is 
incompatible with the GPL.  Debian's politically correct folly then blew 
over to other distributions, among which RedHat and derivatives.

You can get Schilling's cdrtools (and find more information) here...:

	http://cdrecord.berlios.de/private/cdrecord.html

-- 
Aragorn
(registered GNU/Linux user #223157)

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#558

Aragorn wrote:

> On Wednesday 03 August 2011 21:22 in comp.os.linux.hardware, J G Miller
> enlightened humanity with the following words...:
> 
>> On Wed, 03 Aug 2011 17:35:22 +0000, NotBob wrote:
>> 
>>> That's a neat trick.  Never thought of mounting a single file,
>>> before.
>> 
>> Yup, that is the way of mounting ISOs or disk images.
>> 
>>> Either way, all I see are two files audio.ts and video.ts
>> 
>> Are you sure this is a video DVD?  ts would denote transport stream,
>> which is the sort of file you would get when say recording off air TV.
>> 
>> A video DVD has a well defined structure and VOB files.
>> 
>>> My burner is capable, but is k3b able to burn DL DVDs?
>> 
>> I may be wrong but I would guess k3b does not care.
>> 
>> I would think that it is libata interface module which has to be able
>> to do the right thing in communicating with the actual single or
>> double layer hardware, but I could be in error and welcome correction.
>> 
>> Remember though that k3b is only a GUI and all of the actual writing
>> is done underneath by a combination of wodim or cdrskin, cdparanoia,
>> cdrdao, and genisoimage, and I would guess that these have to be SL/DL
>> aware in order to work out if the sizes of the images to burn are
>> within the appropriate limits.
> 
> I don't know whether wodim supports burning double-layer DVDs, but Joerg
> Schilling's original cdrtools - of which wodim is an old and (I believe)
> unmaintained version - does support it.
> 
> As I understand it, many (bu tnot all) distributions include wodim
> because of some silly argument between Schilling and the Debian
> developers, which resulted in Schilling licensing cdrtools under the
> CDDL, which according to the politically correct Debian guys is
> incompatible with the GPL.  Debian's politically correct folly then blew
> over to other distributions, among which RedHat and derivatives.
> 
> You can get Schilling's cdrtools (and find more information) here...:
> 
> http://cdrecord.berlios.de/private/cdrecord.html
> 


I have burnt many DL DVD using wodim, it works

$ wodim --version
Cdrecord-yelling-line-to-tell-frontends-to-use-it-like-version 2.01.01a03-
dvd 
Wodim 1.1.11
Copyright (C) 2006 Cdrkit suite contributors
Based on works from Joerg Schilling, Copyright (C) 1995-2006, J. Schilling

I think it is time joerg stop his silly crusade against wodim and crawl back 
under the rock.  Let folks use what they wish to use.

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#559

On Wednesday 03 August 2011 22:23 in comp.os.linux.hardware, GangGreene 
enlightened humanity with the following words...:

> Aragorn wrote:
> 
>> On Wednesday 03 August 2011 21:22 in comp.os.linux.hardware, J G
>> Miller enlightened humanity with the following words...:
>> 
>>> On Wed, 03 Aug 2011 17:35:22 +0000, NotBob wrote:
>>> 
>>>> My burner is capable, but is k3b able to burn DL DVDs?
>>> 
>>> I may be wrong but I would guess k3b does not care.
>>> 
>>> I would think that it is libata interface module which has to be
>>> able to do the right thing in communicating with the actual single
>>> or double layer hardware, but I could be in error and welcome
>>> correction.
>>> 
>>> Remember though that k3b is only a GUI and all of the actual writing
>>> is done underneath by a combination of wodim or cdrskin, cdparanoia,
>>> cdrdao, and genisoimage, and I would guess that these have to be
>>> SL/DL aware in order to work out if the sizes of the images to burn
>>> are within the appropriate limits.
>> 
>> I don't know whether wodim supports burning double-layer DVDs, but
>> Joerg Schilling's original cdrtools - of which wodim is an old and (I
>> believe) unmaintained version - does support it.
>> 
>> As I understand it, many (bu tnot all) distributions include wodim
>> because of some silly argument between Schilling and the Debian
>> developers, which resulted in Schilling licensing cdrtools under the
>> CDDL, which according to the politically correct Debian guys is
>> incompatible with the GPL.  Debian's politically correct folly then
>> blew over to other distributions, among which RedHat and derivatives.
>> 
>> You can get Schilling's cdrtools (and find more information) here...:
>> 
>> http://cdrecord.berlios.de/private/cdrecord.html
> 
> I have burnt many DL DVD using wodim, it works
> 
> [...]
> I think it is time joerg stop his silly crusade against wodim and
> crawl back under the rock.  Let folks use what they wish to use.

It's not really a matter of not letting folks use what they want to use, 
nor of Joerg's beef with Debian.  It is however a fact that his cdrtools 
is much more up-to-date and offers more functionality than cdrkit.

So if your wodim can burn double-layer DVDs, then that's great news for 
everyone who chooses to use (or stick with) wodim.  But I know for a 
fact that wodim won't do BluRay disks, while the original cdrtools from 
Schilling does.  And its more complete functionality is enough of a 
reason for me to advise cdrtools to people who are having trouble with 
wodim.

-- 
Aragorn
(registered GNU/Linux user #223157)

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#560

Aragorn wrote:

> On Wednesday 03 August 2011 22:23 in comp.os.linux.hardware, GangGreene
> enlightened humanity with the following words...:
> 
>> Aragorn wrote:
>> 
>>> On Wednesday 03 August 2011 21:22 in comp.os.linux.hardware, J G
>>> Miller enlightened humanity with the following words...:
>>> 
>>>> On Wed, 03 Aug 2011 17:35:22 +0000, NotBob wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> My burner is capable, but is k3b able to burn DL DVDs?
>>>> 
>>>> I may be wrong but I would guess k3b does not care.
>>>> 
>>>> I would think that it is libata interface module which has to be
>>>> able to do the right thing in communicating with the actual single
>>>> or double layer hardware, but I could be in error and welcome
>>>> correction.
>>>> 
>>>> Remember though that k3b is only a GUI and all of the actual writing
>>>> is done underneath by a combination of wodim or cdrskin, cdparanoia,
>>>> cdrdao, and genisoimage, and I would guess that these have to be
>>>> SL/DL aware in order to work out if the sizes of the images to burn
>>>> are within the appropriate limits.
>>> 
>>> I don't know whether wodim supports burning double-layer DVDs, but
>>> Joerg Schilling's original cdrtools - of which wodim is an old and (I
>>> believe) unmaintained version - does support it.
>>> 
>>> As I understand it, many (bu tnot all) distributions include wodim
>>> because of some silly argument between Schilling and the Debian
>>> developers, which resulted in Schilling licensing cdrtools under the
>>> CDDL, which according to the politically correct Debian guys is
>>> incompatible with the GPL.  Debian's politically correct folly then
>>> blew over to other distributions, among which RedHat and derivatives.
>>> 
>>> You can get Schilling's cdrtools (and find more information) here...:
>>> 
>>> http://cdrecord.berlios.de/private/cdrecord.html
>> 
>> I have burnt many DL DVD using wodim, it works
>> 
>> [...]
>> I think it is time joerg stop his silly crusade against wodim and
>> crawl back under the rock.  Let folks use what they wish to use.
> 
> It's not really a matter of not letting folks use what they want to use,
> nor of Joerg's beef with Debian.  It is however a fact that his cdrtools
> is much more up-to-date and offers more functionality than cdrkit.
> 
> So if your wodim can burn double-layer DVDs, then that's great news for
> everyone who chooses to use (or stick with) wodim.  But I know for a
> fact that wodim won't do BluRay disks, while the original cdrtools from
> Schilling does.  And its more complete functionality is enough of a
> reason for me to advise cdrtools to people who are having trouble with
> wodim.
> 

Then you missed out on him being a complete jerk on the Arch Linux mailing 
list.

Any way I don't do blueray.

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#561

On Wednesday 03 August 2011 23:50 in comp.os.linux.hardware, GangGreene 
enlightened humanity with the following words...:

> Aragorn wrote:
> 
>> On Wednesday 03 August 2011 22:23 in comp.os.linux.hardware,
>> GangGreene enlightened humanity with the following words...:
>> 
>>> Aragorn wrote:
>>> 
>>>> As I understand it, many (bu tnot all) distributions include wodim
>>>> because of some silly argument between Schilling and the Debian
>>>> developers, which resulted in Schilling licensing cdrtools under
>>>> the CDDL, which according to the politically correct Debian guys is
>>>> incompatible with the GPL.  Debian's politically correct folly then
>>>> blew over to other distributions, among which RedHat and
>>>> derivatives.
>>>> 
>>>> You can get Schilling's cdrtools (and find more information)
>>>> here...:
>>>> 
>>>> http://cdrecord.berlios.de/private/cdrecord.html
>>> 
>>> I have burnt many DL DVD using wodim, it works
>>> 
>>> [...]
>>> I think it is time joerg stop his silly crusade against wodim and
>>> crawl back under the rock.  Let folks use what they wish to use.
>> 
>> It's not really a matter of not letting folks use what they want to
>> use, nor of Joerg's beef with Debian.  It is however a fact that his
>> cdrtools is much more up-to-date and offers more functionality than
>> cdrkit.
>> 
>> So if your wodim can burn double-layer DVDs, then that's great news
>> for everyone who chooses to use (or stick with) wodim.  But I know
>> for a fact that wodim won't do BluRay disks, while the original
>> cdrtools from Schilling does.  And its more complete functionality is
>> enough of a reason for me to advise cdrtools to people who are having
>> trouble with wodim.
> 
> Then you missed out on him being a complete jerk on the Arch Linux
> mailing list.

Actually, I'm not subscribed to the Arch Linux mailing list, so yes, 
apparently I missed out on that.  But then again, I never said that 
Schilling was an easy guy to deal with.  Still, that doesn't change the 
fact that he writes good code.

> Any way I don't do blueray.

Well, I'm sure many other people do. ;-)

-- 
Aragorn
(registered GNU/Linux user #223157)

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#562

On 08/03/2011 02:50 PM, GangGreene wrote:
> Aragorn wrote:
>
>> On Wednesday 03 August 2011 22:23 in comp.os.linux.hardware, GangGreene
>> enlightened humanity with the following words...:
>>
>>> Aragorn wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wednesday 03 August 2011 21:22 in comp.os.linux.hardware, J G
>>>> Miller enlightened humanity with the following words...:
>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 03 Aug 2011 17:35:22 +0000, NotBob wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> My burner is capable, but is k3b able to burn DL DVDs?
>>>>>
>>>>> I may be wrong but I would guess k3b does not care.
>>>>>
>>>>> I would think that it is libata interface module which has to be
>>>>> able to do the right thing in communicating with the actual single
>>>>> or double layer hardware, but I could be in error and welcome
>>>>> correction.
>>>>>
>>>>> Remember though that k3b is only a GUI and all of the actual writing
>>>>> is done underneath by a combination of wodim or cdrskin, cdparanoia,
>>>>> cdrdao, and genisoimage, and I would guess that these have to be
>>>>> SL/DL aware in order to work out if the sizes of the images to burn
>>>>> are within the appropriate limits.
>>>>
>>>> I don't know whether wodim supports burning double-layer DVDs, but
>>>> Joerg Schilling's original cdrtools - of which wodim is an old and (I
>>>> believe) unmaintained version - does support it.
>>>>
>>>> As I understand it, many (bu tnot all) distributions include wodim
>>>> because of some silly argument between Schilling and the Debian
>>>> developers, which resulted in Schilling licensing cdrtools under the
>>>> CDDL, which according to the politically correct Debian guys is
>>>> incompatible with the GPL.  Debian's politically correct folly then
>>>> blew over to other distributions, among which RedHat and derivatives.
>>>>
>>>> You can get Schilling's cdrtools (and find more information) here...:
>>>>
>>>> http://cdrecord.berlios.de/private/cdrecord.html
>>>
>>> I have burnt many DL DVD using wodim, it works
>>>
>>> [...]
>>> I think it is time joerg stop his silly crusade against wodim and
>>> crawl back under the rock.  Let folks use what they wish to use.
>>
>> It's not really a matter of not letting folks use what they want to use,
>> nor of Joerg's beef with Debian.  It is however a fact that his cdrtools
>> is much more up-to-date and offers more functionality than cdrkit.
>>
>> So if your wodim can burn double-layer DVDs, then that's great news for
>> everyone who chooses to use (or stick with) wodim.  But I know for a
>> fact that wodim won't do BluRay disks, while the original cdrtools from
>> Schilling does.  And its more complete functionality is enough of a
>> reason for me to advise cdrtools to people who are having trouble with
>> wodim.
>>
>
> Then you missed out on him being a complete jerk on the Arch Linux mailing
> list.
>
> Any way I don't do blueray.

	Many coders of great skill seem to have problems relating
to non-coders and no one should hold their verbal clashs against
them.  Some even don't get along with other coders from what I
read.
	IMO
	bliss

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#564

Bobbie Sellers wrote:

> On 08/03/2011 02:50 PM, GangGreene wrote:
>> Aragorn wrote:
>>
>>> On Wednesday 03 August 2011 22:23 in comp.os.linux.hardware, GangGreene
>>> enlightened humanity with the following words...:
>>>
>>>> Aragorn wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Wednesday 03 August 2011 21:22 in comp.os.linux.hardware, J G
>>>>> Miller enlightened humanity with the following words...:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, 03 Aug 2011 17:35:22 +0000, NotBob wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My burner is capable, but is k3b able to burn DL DVDs?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I may be wrong but I would guess k3b does not care.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would think that it is libata interface module which has to be
>>>>>> able to do the right thing in communicating with the actual single
>>>>>> or double layer hardware, but I could be in error and welcome
>>>>>> correction.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Remember though that k3b is only a GUI and all of the actual writing
>>>>>> is done underneath by a combination of wodim or cdrskin, cdparanoia,
>>>>>> cdrdao, and genisoimage, and I would guess that these have to be
>>>>>> SL/DL aware in order to work out if the sizes of the images to burn
>>>>>> are within the appropriate limits.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't know whether wodim supports burning double-layer DVDs, but
>>>>> Joerg Schilling's original cdrtools - of which wodim is an old and (I
>>>>> believe) unmaintained version - does support it.
>>>>>
>>>>> As I understand it, many (bu tnot all) distributions include wodim
>>>>> because of some silly argument between Schilling and the Debian
>>>>> developers, which resulted in Schilling licensing cdrtools under the
>>>>> CDDL, which according to the politically correct Debian guys is
>>>>> incompatible with the GPL.  Debian's politically correct folly then
>>>>> blew over to other distributions, among which RedHat and derivatives.
>>>>>
>>>>> You can get Schilling's cdrtools (and find more information) here...:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://cdrecord.berlios.de/private/cdrecord.html
>>>>
>>>> I have burnt many DL DVD using wodim, it works
>>>>
>>>> [...]
>>>> I think it is time joerg stop his silly crusade against wodim and
>>>> crawl back under the rock.  Let folks use what they wish to use.
>>>
>>> It's not really a matter of not letting folks use what they want to use,
>>> nor of Joerg's beef with Debian.  It is however a fact that his cdrtools
>>> is much more up-to-date and offers more functionality than cdrkit.
>>>
>>> So if your wodim can burn double-layer DVDs, then that's great news for
>>> everyone who chooses to use (or stick with) wodim.  But I know for a
>>> fact that wodim won't do BluRay disks, while the original cdrtools from
>>> Schilling does.  And its more complete functionality is enough of a
>>> reason for me to advise cdrtools to people who are having trouble with
>>> wodim.
>>>
>>
>> Then you missed out on him being a complete jerk on the Arch Linux
>> mailing list.
>>
>> Any way I don't do blueray.
> 
> Many coders of great skill seem to have problems relating
> to non-coders and no one should hold their verbal clashs against
> them.  Some even don't get along with other coders from what I
> read.
> IMO
> bliss

Actually it was more of you Arch linux devs are nuts for supporting wodim 
you need to change to cdrecord!  The master has spoken!  Wodim is broken!
Remove wodim from your distribution and replace it with cdrtools at once!  
To which the Arch community replied "PISS OFF!"  That went on for many 
weeks.  You can read the exchange by Googling it if you are really are 
interested in what happened.  This summation is mine and not intended to 
represent Arch linux in any way.

Then the tired out re-playing of his problem(s) with debian which no one at 
Arch linux gives a shit about. 

It was not a coder vs non-coder(s) problem.  Arch has many coders in its 
ranks.  I am a coder, since 1977...not that that matters.

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#586

In article <j1cim4$3ro$1@dont-email.me>,
Bobbie Sellers  <somewhere@overrain.bow> wrote:

>	Many coders of great skill seem to have problems relating
>to non-coders and no one should hold their verbal clashs against
>them.  Some even don't get along with other coders from what I
>read.

These people with social and ethical deficits (mostly with Debian background)
are not even coders. They are just people who have fun to put oil into the fire 
but they do not have arguments.

Such a dispute does not say anything anout the majority that likes to have 
working software.

-- 
EMail:joerg@schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin
      js@cs.tu-berlin.de		(uni)  
      joerg.schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/
URL:  http://cdrecord.berlios.de/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily

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#563

On 2011-08-03, Aragorn <stryder@telenet.be.invalid> wrote:

> It's not really a matter of not letting folks use what they want to use, 
> nor of Joerg's beef with Debian.  It is however a fact that his cdrtools 
> is much more up-to-date and offers more functionality than cdrkit.

> Schilling does.  And its more complete functionality is enough of a 
> reason for me to advise cdrtools to people who are having trouble with 
> wodim.

I have cdrtools, but it's rapidly becoming a non-issue if I can't find
any DVD+R DL discs ....and I can't.  Being semi-remote, up in the CO
Rockies, neither our lone Radio Shack nor Walmart stocks 'em.  Gonna
hafta drive 100 miles to Colo Sprgs or order online.  Sometimes, living
in god's country has its drawbacks.  ;)  

nb

-- 
vi ...the heart of evil

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#587

In article <j1cens$bsb$1@dont-email.me>,
Aragorn  <stryder@telenet.be.invalid> wrote:

>So if your wodim can burn double-layer DVDs, then that's great news for 
>everyone who chooses to use (or stick with) wodim.  But I know for a 

Don't believe people who claim technically impossible things.

-- 
EMail:joerg@schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin
      js@cs.tu-berlin.de		(uni)  
      joerg.schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/
URL:  http://cdrecord.berlios.de/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily

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#589

In article <7anog8-5ld.ln1@crazy-horse.bildanet.com>,
GangGreene  <GangGreene@invalid.com> wrote:

>I think it is time joerg stop his silly crusade against wodim and crawl back 
>under the rock.  Let folks use what they wish to use.

wodim is a crusade from Debian people against OSS.

The attacks from Debian are pointless and based on the social deficits of 
Eduard Bloch and Joerg Jaspert.

Note that in autumn 2008, even Eben Moglen confirmed that there is no legal 
problem with cdrtools. I still made a compromise proposal at that time....

This proposal was discussed by Simon Phipps (member of the board of directors 
of opensource.org) with Joerg Jaspert and other debian people at Cebit 2009 
and Debian accepted it in front of whitnesses. Joerg Jaspert as Debian 
FTP master promised to incluse cdrtools as fast as possible and mentioned
6 weeks. Jaspert then spread lies amongst Debian people and claimed to be
unable to follow hos promise because of a lack of time....

Debian cannot be seen as a member of the OSS community anymore :-(

-- 
EMail:joerg@schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin
      js@cs.tu-berlin.de		(uni)  
      joerg.schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/
URL:  http://cdrecord.berlios.de/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily

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