Re: Does Australia have similar cellphone "related" accident rates as the United States

From	Algeria Horan <algeriahoran@algeria.horan.net>
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Subject	Re: Does Australia have similar cellphone "related" accident rates as the United States
Date	2016-10-16 00:54 +0000
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On Sun, 16 Oct 2016 08:22:14 +1100, Rod Speed wrote:

>> the _use_ of cellphones while driving in the USA is consistently 
>> at about 2% for texting and at abuot 5% for handheld use while 
>> driving (with visible-headset use roughly around half of a percent):
>> https://crashstats.nhtsa.dot.gov/Api/Public/ViewPublication/812326
> 
> And that is why the effect of that is invisible in the accident statistics,

This is the first adult-like thing you've said in this thread, so I will
respond in like manner.

If we assume that the annual studies by the NHTSA are correct, then we have
to assume that 5% and 2% of all miles driven in the United States are done
while actually holding the phone and texting on it, respectively.

It would be interesting to break that number down by miles driven, so if
someone has a number for the number of miles driven by the approximately 275
million cars in the United States, that would be useful data.

The lack of accidents is the elephant in the room which has to be accounted
for, and mathematically clever aliens are too amorphous for us to rely on
them to give us that answer. 

Since 95% of the time people are NOT holding cellphones while they're
driving and 98% of the time they're not texting, the lack of accidents due
to cellphone causing them _could_ be due to the fact that so few people
actually _use_ them while driving. 

NOTE: The NHTSA annual statistic does not count people using the cellphone
without headgear and without actually holding it in their hands, so, we can
assume that 7% is greater if we want to include all people _using_ the
cellphone (e.g., via bluetooth speakersets).

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Does Australia have similar cellphone "related" accident rates as the United States Algeria Horan <algeriahoran@algeriahoran.net> - 2016-10-15 06:04 +0000
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