Re: Does Australia have similar cellphone "related" accident rates as the United States

From	"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
Newsgroups	misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.mobile.android, alt.home.repair
Subject	Re: Does Australia have similar cellphone "related" accident rates as the United States
Date	2016-10-16 05:14 +1100
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PeteCresswell <x@y.Invalid> wrote
> Algeria Horan wrote

>> The AMTA indicates that a tenth of 1 percent of
>> Australian crashes are "related" to illegal cellphone use:

> I have always wondered how the people who gather statistics
> determine whether a driver in a crash was using a cell phone.

Its not that hard with voice calls, bit harder with SMS, particularly
if they are preparing the first one and haven't sent it yet.

> It would seem that only a vanishingly-small percentage of drivers would
> own up to cell phone use when being interviewed for an accident report.

Sure, but that isnt the only way to know that.

> That would seem to leave the police finding the cell phone, determining
> it's ID or phone number, looking up use in the phone company's database,
> and correlating time of calls with the moment of the accident....

Yes and that isnt that hard to do. And to do it the other way in this 
country.
The authoritys do know what phone SIMs you have unless you go out of your
way to get an anonymous one which is rather harder to do in this country.

> all of which also seem to be of vanishingly-small probability.

Fraid not.

> Am I missing something?

Yep.

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