Re: Does Australia have similar cellphone "related" accident rates as the United States

From	"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
Newsgroups	misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.mobile.android, alt.home.repair
Subject	Re: Does Australia have similar cellphone "related" accident rates as the United States
Date	2016-10-16 17:00 +1100
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"F Murtz" <haggisz@hotmail.com> wrote in message 
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> nospam wrote:
>> In article <j2750c9bdok28phkf87baa4tskqks2d1dd@4ax.com>,
>> (PeteCresswell) <x@y.Invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>> Both in Australia, and in the United States, the fact is that 
>>>> cellphones
>>>> aren't any more distracting than talking to a passenger,
>>>
>>> I would disagree with that.
>>>
>>> When a driver is talking to a passenger there is an unspoken covenant:
>>> driving comes first... and the conversation ebbs and flows around that
>>> understanding.     Same thing with CB radios.
>>>
>>> OTOH, the person on the other end of a cell phone call has no such
>>> understanding and the driver tends to keep up the conversation no matter
>>> what is happening around the vehicle.
>>
>> they have the same understanding as anyone else would, and cb radio is
>> not always mobile either.
>>
>> "hi, i'm driving, but wanted to call you about..."
>>
>> plus, the driver can always toss the phone on the seat at any time, for
>> any reason, if traffic conditions demand it (or even if they don't).
>>
>>> Also, the operation of a cell phone seems to take some degree of the
>>> driver's attention.   I do not see drivers conversing with passengers
>>> and wandering back-and-forth across lane lines - OTOH I see that
>>> regularly with drivers talking on the phone.   Dunno what they are
>>> doing, but they are clearly doing something besides driving.
>>
>> then you aren't looking very hard.
>>
> Although I do not handle the phone in the car, any conversations are 
> carried on the same as when I used two way radio, usually short and sweet 
> and the phone conversion gets ignored when driving requires more 
> concentration.
> I do concede that some drivers get immersed in the phone conversation to 
> the detriment of driving .

> Has anyone watched the tests of phone use on a track ? How many stop using 
> the phone when negotiating cones or emergencies as a sensible user would, 
> do they use psychological tricks to keep the subject talking on the phone?

Trouble is that you can't stop the other person from continuing to say
what they were saying and any test needs to put the driver in the situation
where they can't just ignore the phone, they need to have to be able to
repeat what the other person on the phone was saying so they can't just
ignore the phone when they need to.

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