Re: Does Australia have similar cellphone "related" accident rates as the United States

From	"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
Newsgroups	misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.mobile.android, alt.home.repair
Subject	Re: Does Australia have similar cellphone "related" accident rates as the United States
Date	2016-10-15 17:34 +1100
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Algeria Horan <algeriahoran@algeriahoran.net> wrote

> Interesting facts that give insight to the answer
> to the question in the subject line are at this Australian
> Mobile Telecommunications Association site:
> http://www.keepyoureyesontheroad.org.au/pages/Accident-statistics-Cont#

Just another of your bare faced lies/pathetic excuse for a troll.

> This is a verbatim quote:
> "If using mobile phones is significantly dangerous then
> we could expect to see a dramatic increase in traffic
> accidents in the last decade.  In fact, the reverse is true."

Because traffic accidents have decreased dramatically
at the same time for other reasons, fuckwit troll.

> The AMTA indicates that a tenth of 1 percent of Australian
> crashes are "related" to illegal cellphone use:

And that number can only be plucked straight
from someone's arse, we can tell from the smell.

> http://www.keepyoureyesontheroad.org.au/pages/Accident-statistics-Cont#
>  "Between 1997 and 2011 there were around 50,000 crashes
> each year on NSW roads and less than 0.1 per cent of all
> crashes were related to illegal hand-held mobile phone use."

And that number can only be plucked straight
from someone's arse, we can tell from the smell.

> Two caveats:
> - We need to know what they mean by "related", and,

Nope, that is obvious.

> - We need to explore what they mean by "illegal" cellphone use.

Nope, it is completely trivial to check what is illegal with cellphone use.

> You'll note that they say about Australia the
> same things I've been saying about the USA,

Because they are just as fucking brain dead as you are.

> which is:
> "Almost all Australian drivers now own a mobile phone,

But many of them arent actually stupid enough to use them illegally while 
driving.

> but the road fatality reduction has continued despite the exponential
> increase in mobile phone ownership over the last two decades. "

Because the reduction in road fatalitys has been so dramatic that
it swamps any effect that illegal cellphone usage has had, fuckwit.

> They do point out an interesting quirk of
> the statistics, which I hadn't thought about,

Because you have always been a terminal fuckwit who has
never been able to manage even the most basic concepts.

> but which makes sense at face value:

Only to a terminal fuckwit such as yourself.

> "the dramatic increase in use of mobiles also increases the chance of
> a fatal crash occurring when a driver is using a mobile phone (both
> legally or illegally) and this may or may not be a causal association."

Only a terminal fuckwit would actually try running that line.

> There is one other interesting statistic:

Wrong, as always.

> "A recent analysis of 340 serious casualty crashes in Victoria and NSW
> between 2000 and 2011, using data gleaned from forensic examination
> of crash scenes and anonymous interviews with drivers has found that
> in 0.9 per cent of crashes the driver was *using* a mobile phone."

All that shows is that most arent actually stupid enough to do that while 
driving.

> Caveat:
> - Using a cellphone does not mean the accident was caused by using it!

Duh.

> They summarize the situation in Australia as:
> http://www.keepyoureyesontheroad.org.au/pages/Accident-statistics-Cont
>  "While mobile phones are a real distraction in the car and their use can
> result in serious accidents, real life accident data indicates that mobile
> phone use does not contribute significantly to crashes or fatalities."

It in fact indicates nothing of the sort. ALL it indicates is that the
fataly rate keeps dropping very dramatically due to various factors
that everyone has rubbed your stupid nose in, and that has swamped
any effect the use of mobile phones while driving by terminal fuckwits
such as yourself continue to do.

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