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Re: Unix is dead

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In article <0001HW.29ADE6BC01D1602C70000FCBD38F@news.individual.net>,
Ian McCall  <ian@eruvia.org> wrote:
>On 28 Feb 2023, Scott Dorsey wrote
>(in article <ttjqcj$g9c$1@panix2.panix.com>):
>
>> Ian McCall <ian@eruvia.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > Relevant to, to anyone that’s coded in the Linux kernel before:
>> >
>> > "If I were asked to do the same thing for Linux, it likely would take five
>> > years, and two dozen people. Linux is pretty balkanize, has a lot of kingdom
>> > building, and you have to pee on everything to make it smell like Linux.
>> > I could do the same in FreeBSD in about a year and a half, with a dozen
>> > co-conspirators to run the changes through.
>>
>> This is a good thing. I WANT it to be hard to add features to the kernel.
>> I am tired of people adding features to the kernel. Please stop adding
>> features.
>>
>> I would in fact claim that the BSD kernel is comparatively less feature-ridden
>> in spite of their policies.
>> --Scott
>Couldn't agree more.
>
>Do they have a stable ABI yet? When I was coding it, they didn't and touted 
>that as an -advantage-. It wasn't of course, dreadful idea and the reason 
>drivers kept needed recompiling all the time. Reminded me of the 
>expunged-from-history page the MySQL site used to have explaining that 
>foreign keys were bad "because it makes application programming hard".

I think you mean stable internal interfaces, not ABI.
One of the Linux invariants is, "never break userspace!"
which implies a stable system call interface.

Of course, they change the format of files under /sys
and stuff, but hey.

	- Dan C.

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  Re: Unix is dead Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2023-01-17 20:13 +0000
    Re: Unix is dead Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> - 2023-01-17 21:39 +0100
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      Re: Unix is dead Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> - 2023-01-18 10:58 +0100
        Re: Unix is dead Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2023-01-18 22:12 -0700
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  Re: Unix is dead Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> - 2023-01-17 21:37 +0100
    Re: Unix is dead Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2023-01-18 11:12 +1100
  Re: Unix is dead Y A <air000000000000@ya.ee> - 2023-02-11 08:07 -0800
    Re: Unix is dead Ian McCall <ian@eruvia.org> - 2023-02-16 09:19 +0000
      Re: Unix is dead Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2023-02-16 10:21 -0700
      Re: Unix is dead kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2023-02-22 12:55 +0000
        Re: Unix is dead Ian McCall <ian@eruvia.org> - 2023-02-23 09:23 +0000
          Re: Unix is dead Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2023-02-23 20:53 +0000
            Re: Unix is dead Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2023-02-23 21:43 +0000
              Re: Unix is dead Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2023-02-24 00:06 +0000
            Re: Unix is dead Ian McCall <ian@eruvia.org> - 2023-02-25 16:08 +0000
              Re: Unix is dead Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2023-02-26 03:51 +0000
                Re: Unix is dead Ben Collver <bencollver@tilde.pink> - 2023-02-26 14:37 +0000
                Re: Unix is dead Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2023-02-26 14:09 -0400
                Re: Unix is dead Ian McCall <ian@eruvia.org> - 2023-02-26 19:07 +0000
                Re: Unix is dead Ian McCall <ian@eruvia.org> - 2023-02-26 19:12 +0000
                Re: Unix is dead kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2023-02-28 02:54 +0000
                Re: Unix is dead Ian McCall <ian@eruvia.org> - 2023-02-28 07:37 +0000
                Re: Unix is dead cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2023-02-28 16:59 +0000
                Re: Unix is dead Ian McCall <ian@eruvia.org> - 2023-03-01 09:02 +0000
                Re: Unix is dead Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2023-03-01 09:07 +0000
                Re: Unix is dead Ian McCall <ian@eruvia.org> - 2023-03-01 12:11 +0000
                Re: Unix is dead Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2023-03-01 15:30 +0000
                Re: Unix is dead cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2023-03-01 15:01 +0000
                Re: Unix is dead Ian McCall <ian@eruvia.org> - 2023-03-01 16:58 +0000
                Re: Unix is dead cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2023-03-01 22:09 +0000
                Re: Unix is dead Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2023-03-02 08:06 +0000
                Re: Unix is dead cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2023-03-02 14:03 +0000
                Re: Unix is dead Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2023-03-02 14:49 +0000
                Re: Unix is dead cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2023-03-02 14:52 +0000
                Re: Unix is dead Geoff Clare <geoff@clare.See-My-Signature.invalid> - 2023-02-27 14:04 +0000
                Re: Unix is dead Ben Collver <bencollver@tilde.pink> - 2023-02-27 05:26 +0000
                Re: Unix is dead kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2023-02-28 02:51 +0000
              Re: Unix is dead Geoff Clare <geoff@clare.See-My-Signature.invalid> - 2023-02-27 13:30 +0000
                Re: Unix is dead Ian McCall <ian@eruvia.org> - 2023-02-27 23:24 +0000
                Re: Unix is dead Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2023-02-27 22:41 -0500
                Re: Unix is dead kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2023-03-01 19:24 +0000
                Re: Unix is dead Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2023-03-01 15:25 -0500
                Re: Unix is dead Geoff Clare <geoff@clare.See-My-Signature.invalid> - 2023-02-28 13:32 +0000
                Re: Unix is dead Ian McCall <ian@eruvia.org> - 2023-02-28 13:43 +0000

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