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| From | Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | comp.misc |
| Subject | Re: Unix is dead |
| Date | 2023-03-01 15:30 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <k699c9FugeuU11@mid.individual.net> (permalink) |
| References | (3 earlier) <0001HW.29ADE6BC01D1602C70000FCBD38F@news.individual.net> <ttlbtg$iql$1@reader2.panix.com> <0001HW.29AF4C30020D4BA470000FCBD38F@news.individual.net> <k68iu8FugeuU10@mid.individual.net> <0001HW.29AF785C0217A5E870000FCBD38F@news.individual.net> |
On Wed, 01 Mar 2023 12:11:08 +0000, Ian McCall wrote: > On 1 Mar 2023, Bob Eager wrote (in article > <k68iu8FugeuU10@mid.individual.net>): > >> On Wed, 01 Mar 2023 09:02:40 +0000, Ian McCall wrote: >> >> > On 28 Feb 2023, Dan Cross wrote (in article >> > <ttlbtg$iql$1@reader2.panix.com>): >> > >> > > In >> > > article<0001HW.29ADE6BC01D1602C70000FCBD38F@news.individual.net>, >> > > Ian McCall <ian@eruvia.org> wrote: >> > > > Do they have a stable ABI yet? When I was coding it, they didn't >> > > > and touted that as an -advantage-. It wasn't of course, dreadful >> > > > idea and the reason drivers kept needed recompiling all the time. >> > > > Reminded me of the expunged-from-history page the MySQL site used >> > > > to have explaining that foreign keys were bad "because it makes >> > > > application programming hard". >> > > >> > > I think you mean stable internal interfaces, not ABI. >> > > One of the Linux invariants is, "never break userspace!" >> > > which implies a stable system call interface. >> > > >> > > Of course, they change the format of files under /sys and stuff, >> > > but hey. >> > >> > Definitely meant ABI. It’s the binary bit that’s key - it’s why >> > people had to recompile drivers all the time which didn’t happen with >> > other OSs. >> >> For quite a while, that only has to be done with a new major version. > > Thanks. Hard to find exactly when it got one, but this article seems to > suggest it was around 2016: > <https://www.phoronix.com/news/Linux-Kernel-Stable-API-ABI> > > ...so yes, that’s after I was doing kernel coding by quite a way. Sorry, I was referring to FreeBSD! -- Using UNIX since v6 (1975)... Use the BIG mirror service in the UK: http://www.mirrorservice.org
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Re: Unix is dead Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2023-03-01 15:30 +0000
Re: Unix is dead cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2023-03-01 15:01 +0000
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Re: Unix is dead kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2023-03-01 19:24 +0000
Re: Unix is dead Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2023-03-01 15:25 -0500
Re: Unix is dead Geoff Clare <geoff@clare.See-My-Signature.invalid> - 2023-02-28 13:32 +0000
Re: Unix is dead Ian McCall <ian@eruvia.org> - 2023-02-28 13:43 +0000
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