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Re: Unix is dead

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In comp.misc, Ian McCall  <ian@eruvia.org> wrote:
> Unix is defined by the Open Group. The Open Group certify macOS as
> Unix. macOS is Unix.

Yes, but what is that definition versus what do people think of as Unix?
A system with a minimum set of programs (working a certain way),
directory layout, header files with the right things defined. That's
Open Group certifiable, but it's not necessary very Unix-y. There are
loopholes for allowing differing results based on how filesystems work.
And that's what happens when Apple ships a case insensitive filesystem
in keeping with how Macs have always worked.

But the more you poke at Mac OS the more you find ways it has divirged
from what other Unixes do outside the strict legal limits of what Open
Group says is Unix. All Unixes are outliers in some aspects. Ones that
are outliers in many get snubbed as bad Unix (even if they are great at
being what they set out to be).

> And this is exactly what I mean. None of that is required for a thing
> to be Unix, it's an attribute of the filesystem etc..

And I fully understand "it's not required" but it definitaly impacts my
finding it easy/normal to use via command line.

Elijah
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doesn't feel Apple really wants to more than "checklist Unix"

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Unix is dead Ben Collver <bencollver@tilde.pink> - 2023-01-17 18:15 +0000
  Re: Unix is dead Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2023-01-17 20:13 +0000
    Re: Unix is dead Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> - 2023-01-17 21:39 +0100
    Re: Unix is dead Blue-Maned_Hawk <bluemanedhawk@gmail.com> - 2023-01-18 04:21 -0500
      Re: Unix is dead Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> - 2023-01-18 10:58 +0100
        Re: Unix is dead Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2023-01-18 22:12 -0700
    Re: Unix is dead Geoff Clare <geoff@clare.See-My-Signature.invalid> - 2023-01-18 13:38 +0000
  Re: Unix is dead Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> - 2023-01-17 21:37 +0100
    Re: Unix is dead Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2023-01-18 11:12 +1100
  Re: Unix is dead Y A <air000000000000@ya.ee> - 2023-02-11 08:07 -0800
    Re: Unix is dead Ian McCall <ian@eruvia.org> - 2023-02-16 09:19 +0000
      Re: Unix is dead Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2023-02-16 10:21 -0700
      Re: Unix is dead kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2023-02-22 12:55 +0000
        Re: Unix is dead Ian McCall <ian@eruvia.org> - 2023-02-23 09:23 +0000
          Re: Unix is dead Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2023-02-23 20:53 +0000
            Re: Unix is dead Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2023-02-23 21:43 +0000
              Re: Unix is dead Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2023-02-24 00:06 +0000
            Re: Unix is dead Ian McCall <ian@eruvia.org> - 2023-02-25 16:08 +0000
              Re: Unix is dead Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2023-02-26 03:51 +0000
                Re: Unix is dead Ben Collver <bencollver@tilde.pink> - 2023-02-26 14:37 +0000
                Re: Unix is dead Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2023-02-26 14:09 -0400
                Re: Unix is dead Ian McCall <ian@eruvia.org> - 2023-02-26 19:07 +0000
                Re: Unix is dead Ian McCall <ian@eruvia.org> - 2023-02-26 19:12 +0000
                Re: Unix is dead kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2023-02-28 02:54 +0000
                Re: Unix is dead Ian McCall <ian@eruvia.org> - 2023-02-28 07:37 +0000
                Re: Unix is dead cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2023-02-28 16:59 +0000
                Re: Unix is dead Ian McCall <ian@eruvia.org> - 2023-03-01 09:02 +0000
                Re: Unix is dead Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2023-03-01 09:07 +0000
                Re: Unix is dead Ian McCall <ian@eruvia.org> - 2023-03-01 12:11 +0000
                Re: Unix is dead Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2023-03-01 15:30 +0000
                Re: Unix is dead cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2023-03-01 15:01 +0000
                Re: Unix is dead Ian McCall <ian@eruvia.org> - 2023-03-01 16:58 +0000
                Re: Unix is dead cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2023-03-01 22:09 +0000
                Re: Unix is dead Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2023-03-02 08:06 +0000
                Re: Unix is dead cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2023-03-02 14:03 +0000
                Re: Unix is dead Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2023-03-02 14:49 +0000
                Re: Unix is dead cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2023-03-02 14:52 +0000
                Re: Unix is dead Geoff Clare <geoff@clare.See-My-Signature.invalid> - 2023-02-27 14:04 +0000
                Re: Unix is dead Ben Collver <bencollver@tilde.pink> - 2023-02-27 05:26 +0000
                Re: Unix is dead kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2023-02-28 02:51 +0000
              Re: Unix is dead Geoff Clare <geoff@clare.See-My-Signature.invalid> - 2023-02-27 13:30 +0000
                Re: Unix is dead Ian McCall <ian@eruvia.org> - 2023-02-27 23:24 +0000
                Re: Unix is dead Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2023-02-27 22:41 -0500
                Re: Unix is dead kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2023-03-01 19:24 +0000
                Re: Unix is dead Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2023-03-01 15:25 -0500
                Re: Unix is dead Geoff Clare <geoff@clare.See-My-Signature.invalid> - 2023-02-28 13:32 +0000
                Re: Unix is dead Ian McCall <ian@eruvia.org> - 2023-02-28 13:43 +0000

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