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Re: The chip card transition in the US has been a disaster

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Jerry Peters <jerry@example.invalid>:

> Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> wrote:
>> * Many European countries replaced their national currencies with the
>>   euro.
>
> And how's that working out for you? Spain, Portugal, Greece, Italy,
> anyone?

It was really nice to visit Cyprus without having to exchange money (and
lose money in the process).

My Italian coworkers also like it that they can use the same currency
back in Italy as in Finland.

>> * European banks unified their account transfer system.
>
> We've ACH since the 1970's.

Hm, never heard of that system during the 15 years I lived in
California.

The point is that the EU imposed that on member states. A couple of
years back all Finnish bank account number formats changed to comply
with the new standard, and the bank transfer fee was made independent of
the destination country.

>> * The European countries standardized 230V as the universal outlet
>>   voltage.
>
> And we've standardized on 120, with few things like dryers and stoves
> using 240, so what?

Some years back most EU countries used 220V while the UK used 240V. The
EU changed it to 230V for everyone.

Again, the point was that in Europe, the governments are more willing
and able to make systemic changes than in the US. The US even has a hard
time getting rid of the penny and the dollar bill.

>> The individual point of view is important and valid as well, which
>> Europeans often fail to see. Compared with the Americans, Europeans
>> fail to take responsibility for their own actions, routinely blame
>> the system and are incapable of individual initiative.
>
> Yeah, it shows as soon as there's some trouble that requires military
> action, you Europeans wait for the US to come rescue you.

That's a slightly different matter (and not altogether true; the French
military has international projects of their own). You are talking about
governments; I'm talking about individual people.


Marko

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The chip card transition in the US has been a disaster Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2016-07-30 19:35 +0000
  Re: The chip card transition in the US has been a disaster Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2016-07-30 22:51 +0300
    Re: The chip card transition in the US has been a disaster RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2016-07-31 00:41 +0000
    Re: The chip card transition in the US has been a disaster Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2016-07-31 01:33 +0000
      Re: The chip card transition in the US has been a disaster Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-07-31 10:18 +0000
        Re: The chip card transition in the US has been a disaster Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2016-07-31 19:43 +0300
  Re: The chip card transition in the US has been a disaster J Callen <jack@sometimes.invalid> - 2016-07-30 21:40 +0100
    Re: The chip card transition in the US has been a disaster mm0fmf <none@invalid.com> - 2016-07-30 22:07 +0100
    Re: The chip card transition in the US has been a disaster Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2016-07-30 21:17 +0000
      Re: The chip card transition in the US has been a disaster Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-07-30 18:51 -0400
        Re: The chip card transition in the US has been a disaster J Callen <jack@sometimes.invalid> - 2016-07-31 00:25 +0100
    Re: The chip card transition in the US has been a disaster Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-07-30 21:38 +0000
      Re: The chip card transition in the US has been a disaster Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2016-07-31 01:23 +0300
        Re: The chip card transition in the US has been a disaster Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2016-07-31 01:40 +0000
        Re: The chip card transition in the US has been a disaster Ian McCall <ian@eruvia.org> - 2016-07-31 09:08 +0100
        Re: The chip card transition in the US has been a disaster Jerry Peters <jerry@example.invalid> - 2016-07-31 20:05 +0000
          Re: The chip card transition in the US has been a disaster Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2016-08-01 00:19 +0300
            Re: The chip card transition in the US has been a disaster Jerry Peters <jerry@example.invalid> - 2016-08-01 20:18 +0000
              Re: The chip card transition in the US has been a disaster Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2016-08-01 23:56 +0300
                Re: The chip card transition in the US has been a disaster Jerry Peters <jerry@example.invalid> - 2016-08-02 20:39 +0000
                Re: The chip card transition in the US has been a disaster Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2016-08-03 02:10 +0300
              Re: The chip card transition in the US has been a disaster scott@alfter.diespammersdie.us (Scott Alfter) - 2016-08-04 15:57 +0000
                Re: The chip card transition in the US has been a disaster Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-08-04 17:06 +0000
          Re: The chip card transition in the US has been a disaster Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-07-31 21:23 +0000
            Re: The chip card transition in the US has been a disaster Jerry Peters <jerry@example.invalid> - 2016-08-01 20:01 +0000
          Re: The chip card transition in the US has been a disaster Bob Henson <rh547477@gmail.com> - 2016-08-01 09:19 +0100
            Re: The chip card transition in the US has been a disaster Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2016-08-01 13:10 +0200
              Re: The chip card transition in the US has been a disaster Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-08-01 16:20 -0300
                Re: The chip card transition in the US has been a disaster Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2016-08-01 21:46 +0200
                Re: The chip card transition in the US has been a disaster Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-08-02 02:48 -0300
                Re: The chip card transition in the US has been a disaster Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2016-08-02 13:08 +0200
                Re: The chip card transition in the US has been a disaster Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-08-02 15:21 -0300
                Re: The chip card transition in the US has been a disaster Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2016-08-02 22:47 +0300
                Re: The chip card transition in the US has been a disaster Jerry Peters <jerry@example.invalid> - 2016-08-02 20:42 +0000
                Re: The chip card transition in the US has been a disaster Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-08-03 09:27 +0100
                Re: The chip card transition in the US has been a disaster Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-08-02 20:42 +0000
                Re: The chip card transition in the US has been a disaster Johnny B Good <johnny-b-good@invalid.ntlworld.com> - 2016-08-03 21:24 +0000
                Re: The chip card transition in the US has been a disaster Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2016-08-04 02:03 +0200
            Re: The chip card transition in the US has been a disaster Jerry Peters <jerry@example.invalid> - 2016-08-01 20:21 +0000
            Re: The chip card transition in the US has been a disaster Larry Sheldon <lfsheldon@gmail.com> - 2016-08-01 20:42 -0500
              Re: The chip card transition in the US has been a disaster Bob Henson <rh547477@gmail.com> - 2016-08-02 08:26 +0100
                Re: The chip card transition in the US has been a disaster Larry Sheldon <lfsheldon@gmail.com> - 2016-08-02 16:57 -0500
                Re: The chip card transition in the US has been a disaster Bob Henson <rh547477@gmail.com> - 2016-08-03 08:57 +0100
                Re: The chip card transition in the US has been a disaster Larry Sheldon <lfsheldon@gmail.com> - 2016-08-03 18:37 -0500

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