Re: on writing subject lines

From	Julieta Shem <jshem@yaxenu.org>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.c, comp.misc
Subject	Re: on writing subject lines
Date	2023-12-05 18:22 -0300
Organization	A noiseless patient Spider
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Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> writes:

> On 12/3/23 15:29, Vir Campestris wrote:
>> The problem there is that when you are reading the message you want
>> the title (summary) first.
>
> That's a UI -> UX problem.
>
> On 12/4/23 17:34, Julieta Shem wrote:
>> Can we untie the way it is displayed from the way it is written?
>
> Yes.
>
> The UI can be changed so that the UX is improved.

Let's dig further.  How should a mail or a USENET client display a form
so that the user fills out the subject only after the whole message is
written?

The most obvious approach, I think, is to put the field at the bottom of
the message.  We can expect users writing their message and forgetting
about the subject, but then the send button after pressed would focus
the subject field.  That'll annoy users.

Many people couldn't care less, of course.  Many people must think that
subjects are a totally useless thing.  For these people, perhaps the
client could write something else that would be minimally useful for us.
I don't what would be minimally useful.

> Thunderbird will prompt if the subject is blank and ask if you want to
> change it before sending.

In this case T'Bird misses the heart of the problem we're discussing
here.  We're not discussing how to remember to write a subject, but to
only write it after the whole post is written, when it's much easier to
describe it in a few words.  (Of course, it's nice to be remembered
about an empty subject.)

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