Re: How to change the Subject of a Usenet article (Was: Re: Recent spam on comp.lang.c)

From	Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.c, comp.misc
Subject	Re: How to change the Subject of a Usenet article (Was: Re: Recent spam on comp.lang.c)
Date	2023-09-09 03:16 +0000
Organization	A noiseless patient Spider
Message-ID	<20230908200941.933@kylheku.com> (permalink)
References	(2 earlier) <udcl13$30q7k$1@dont-email.me> <uddvnt$3a9si$1@dont-email.me> <ude6v5$3av40$2@dont-email.me> <fVDKthnhfJ8657wgg@bongo-ra.co> <1qgqwud.1qo1i9s1j1n0cnN%snipeco.2@gmail.com>

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On 2023-09-08, Sn!pe <snipeco.2@gmail.com> wrote:
> This will cause competent User Agents to automatically discard the  
> (Was: Old Subject) part of the header when following up but maintain
> continuity of Subject in the thread list.

Preesumably MacSoup (evidently the name of your user agent) does this?

Slrn isn't doing it; see Subject line. The (Was: ...) is intact.

Is there an RFC for this? I have the slrn code in a buildable state,
so I will take look if it's mentioned in the code anywhere.

In my opinion, if user agents were truly competent, then this entire
dance with (Was: ...) would be unnecessary.

It should be a feature of the user agent's display that when
a parent article P is available and has subject line X, and
a child article C has subject line Y, the agent itself should
display C's subject line as, perhaps:

  Subject: Y
  [Changed from: X]

or something similar.

Competence means doing something better in the UI with the available
data, produced by natural behavior, such as changing the subject without
mentioning the old subject in the subject line.

If the users have to obey some convention to produce data, that is not
really competent. Users won't.

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