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Re: alpine as newsreader, allowing server to set Message-ID

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On Tue, 28 Apr 2026, Adam H. Kerman wrote:

> Eduardo Chappa <chappa@washington.edu> wrote:
>> Tue, 28 Apr 2026, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>>> Eduardo Chappa <chappa@washington.edu> wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 27 Apr 2026, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>
>>>>> In a test newsgroup, a user's News article had this Message-ID.
>
>>>>> Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.22.394.2604262138340.794162@XPS13>
>
>>>>> That's nonstandard.
>
>>>> What standard is the one you are referring to?
>
>>> USEFOR RFC 5536
>
>>> The right part is commonly derived from a domain. Fine, that's not a 
>>> MUST.
>
>> Right, however, the release notes for version 2.24 say:
>
>>     + Alpine uses the domain in the From: header of a message to generate
>>       a message-id and suppresses all information about Alpine,
>>       version, revision, and time of generation of the message-id from
>>       this header. This information is replaced by a random string.
>
>> Would upgrading to a more current version of Alpine help you? (see the 
>> message-id of this message to see it in action).
>
> I'm not the O.P. I asked here because I saw the Message-ID and thought 
> it was nonstandard. Since I reread USEFOR, I know it's not.

We never saw that message here, so from our perspective, this was your 
question. Keep that in mind as we talk to you.

> I am using a DEB package too. I see that it's version 2.26. The left 
> part is a random string. I've long had the feature set for ROT-13 of the 
> domain used for the right part. Doesn't that go back to pine?

The ROT-13 part is from the time of Pine, yes. What I am talking about is 
that since version 2.24 the part to the right of the @ character in the 
message-id is an actual domain. In previous versions of Pine/Alpine it 
might be a machine name, not a domain name. Since version 2.24 it is the 
domain from the From: field, not related in any way to the machine you are 
using. The message-id you posted in your first post did not have a domain 
in that place. An upgrade would change that.

> If I see the O.P. posting again, I'll suggest that he might install a 
> more recent package or build the latest version himself.

Great! I appreciate that!

-- 
Eduardo
https://alpineapp.email (web)
http://repo.or.cz/alpine.git (Git)

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alpine as newsreader, allowing server to set Message-ID "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> - 2026-04-27 10:57 +0000
  Re: alpine as newsreader, allowing server to set Message-ID Eduardo Chappa <chappa@washington.edu> - 2026-04-27 12:15 -0600
    Re: alpine as newsreader, allowing server to set Message-ID John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-04-27 19:45 +0000
      Re: alpine as newsreader, allowing server to set Message-ID Eduardo Chappa <chappa@washington.edu> - 2026-05-04 20:58 -0600
    Re: alpine as newsreader, allowing server to set Message-ID "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> - 2026-04-28 00:05 +0000
      Re: alpine as newsreader, allowing server to set Message-ID Eduardo Chappa <chappa@washington.edu> - 2026-04-27 21:33 -0600
        Re: alpine as newsreader, allowing server to set Message-ID "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> - 2026-04-28 04:57 +0000
          Re: alpine as newsreader, allowing server to set Message-ID Eduardo Chappa <chappa@washington.edu> - 2026-04-27 23:44 -0600
            Re: alpine as newsreader, allowing server to set Message-ID "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> - 2026-04-28 12:07 +0000

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