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  Cookie fucking problem Nick the Gr33k <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-10-26 16:27 +0300
    Re: Cookie fucking problem Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-10-27 00:39 +1100
    Re: Cookie fucking problem Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2013-10-27 00:40 +1100
    Re: Cookie fucking problem Yaşar Arabacı <yasar11732@gmail.com> - 2013-10-26 17:05 +0300
    Re: Cookie fucking problem Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-10-26 15:34 +0100
      Re: Cookie fucking problem Nick the Gr33k <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-10-26 17:55 +0300
        Re: Cookie fucking problem Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-10-26 16:21 +0100
          Re: Cookie fucking problem Nick the Gr33k <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-10-26 18:25 +0300
            Re: Cookie fucking problem Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-10-26 16:50 +0100
              Re: Cookie fucking problem rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2013-10-26 09:05 -0700
                Re: Cookie fucking problem Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-10-26 17:22 +0100
            Re: Cookie fucking problem Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2013-10-27 08:43 +1100
            Re: Cookie fucking problem Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-10-27 14:30 +0100
              Re: Cookie fucking problem Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2013-10-28 07:44 +0000
                Re: Cookie fucking problem Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-10-28 09:10 +0100
                Re: Cookie fucking problem Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2013-10-28 14:33 +0000
                  Re: Cookie fucking problem Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-10-29 01:38 +1100
                  Re: Cookie fucking problem Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-10-28 16:07 +0100
                  Re: Cookie fucking problem Ned Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com> - 2013-10-28 13:08 -0400
                    Re: Cookie fucking problem rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2013-10-28 10:53 -0700
                      Re: Cookie fucking problem Ned Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com> - 2013-10-28 14:22 -0400
                        Being a welcoming place [was Re: Cookie fucking problem] Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2013-10-29 05:10 +0000
                Re: Cookie fucking problem rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2013-10-28 09:51 -0700
            Re: Cookie fucking problem Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2013-10-28 10:26 +1100
              Re: Cookie fucking problem rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2013-10-27 20:44 -0700
              Re: Cookie fucking problem Neil Cerutti <neilc@norwich.edu> - 2013-10-28 13:20 +0000
                Re: Cookie fucking problem Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2013-10-29 05:28 +0000
                  Re: Cookie fr*cking problem Neil Cerutti <neilc@norwich.edu> - 2013-10-29 12:17 +0000
            Re: Cookie fucking problem Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-10-28 08:13 +0100
        Re: Cookie fucking problem Ned Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com> - 2013-10-26 12:00 -0400
      Re: Cookie fucking problem Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-10-26 16:00 +0000
        Re: Cookie fucking problem Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-10-26 17:19 +0100
        Re: Cookie fucking problem Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-10-26 19:18 +0200
          Re: Cookie fucking problem Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2013-10-28 14:38 +0000
        Re: Cookie fucking problem Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-10-26 19:23 +0200
        Re: Cookie xxxxing problem Stephan Vladimir Bugaj <sbugaj@pixar.com> - 2013-10-26 12:32 -0700
          Re: Cookie xxxxing problem rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2013-10-27 08:59 -0700
        Re: Cookie fucking problem Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-10-26 22:22 +0100
        Re: Cookie fucking problem Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2013-10-27 08:44 +1100
        Re: Cookie fucking problem Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-10-28 11:14 +0100
    Re: Cookie fucking problem Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-10-26 16:02 +0000
    Re: Cookie (expletive) problem Zero Piraeus <z@etiol.net> - 2013-10-26 10:49 -0300

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#57603 — Cookie fucking problem

Hello i having the following code to try and retrieve the visitor's 
saved cookie form the browser.

[CODE]
# initialize cookie and retrieve cookie from clients browser
try:
     cookie = cookies.SimpleCookie( os.environ['HTTP_COOKIE'] )
     cookieID = cookie['name'].value
except:
     cookieID = 'visitor'
[/CODE]

It works as expected except form the fact from when the visitor enters 
my webpage(superhost.gr) by clicking a backlink of another webpage.

Then even if the cookie exists in his browser for some reason the try 
fails and except take actions.

Can somebody explain why this is happening?

You can see this action yourself by hitting:

1. superhost.gr as a direct hit
2. by clicking superhost.gr's backlink from ypsilandio.gr/mythosweb.gr

You will see than in 2nd occasion another ebtry will appear in the 
database here:

http://superhost.gr/?show=log&page=index.html

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#57606

Oh! Now you have a quite different problem. I'm sure your email spam
will have plenty of offers from lovely ladies who are willing to
satisfy your needs, you really don't want to be getting intimate with
cookies.

And if that's not what you meant, then kindly refrain from posting
duplicate threads just to add profanity to the subject line. Thanks!

ChrisA

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#57607

Nick the Gr33k <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> writes:

> Hello i having the following code to try and retrieve the visitor's
> saved cookie form the browser.

The fact that you've posted Python code does not make this a Python
question. Your issue is with HTTP cookies, as you have been told several
times.

This is irrelevant to the Python discussion group, yet you keep
clamouring here for attention. Please do not ask here for education
about HTTP again.

-- 
 \         “I have yet to see any problem, however complicated, which, |
  `\      when you looked at it in the right way, did not become still |
_o__)                                more complicated.” —Paul Anderson |
Ben Finney

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#57609

I didn't follow the thread, I am sorry if this is duplicate, but don't
catch all Exceptions, catch only the ones you expect, so that you can
identify unexpected errors:

    cookie = cookies.SimpleCookie( os.environ['HTTP_COOKIE'] )
    try:
        cookieID = cookie['name'].value
    except KeyError:
        cookieID = 'visitor'

-- 
http://ysar.net/

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#57610

On 26/10/2013 14:27, Nick the Gr33k wrote:

Buy a sex manual.

-- 
Python is the second best programming language in the world.
But the best has yet to be invented.  Christian Tismer

Mark Lawrence

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#57612

Στις 26/10/2013 5:34 μμ, ο/η Mark Lawrence έγραψε:
> On 26/10/2013 14:27, Nick the Gr33k wrote:
>
> Buy a sex manual.
>
No need, i can practice with your mother.

-- 
What is now proved was at first only imagined! & WebHost
<http://superhost.gr>

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#57618

On 26/10/2013 15:55, Nick the Gr33k wrote:
> Στις 26/10/2013 5:34 μμ, ο/η Mark Lawrence έγραψε:
>> On 26/10/2013 14:27, Nick the Gr33k wrote:
>>
>> Buy a sex manual.
>>
> No need, i can practice with your mother.
>

An interesting combination of stupid, tight fisted and a necrophiliac.

-- 
Python is the second best programming language in the world.
But the best has yet to be invented.  Christian Tismer

Mark Lawrence

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#57619

Στις 26/10/2013 6:21 μμ, ο/η Mark Lawrence έγραψε:
> On 26/10/2013 15:55, Nick the Gr33k wrote:
>> Στις 26/10/2013 5:34 μμ, ο/η Mark Lawrence έγραψε:
>>> On 26/10/2013 14:27, Nick the Gr33k wrote:
>>>
>>> Buy a sex manual.
>>>
>> No need, i can practice with your mother.
>>
>
> An interesting combination of stupid, tight fisted and a necrophiliac.
>
Αντε απο εδω ρε αφιονισμενη πουτσοτριχα.

-- 
What is now proved was at first only imagined! & WebHost
<http://superhost.gr>

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#57627

On 26/10/2013 16:25, Nick the Gr33k wrote:
> Στις 26/10/2013 6:21 μμ, ο/η Mark Lawrence έγραψε:
>> On 26/10/2013 15:55, Nick the Gr33k wrote:
>>> Στις 26/10/2013 5:34 μμ, ο/η Mark Lawrence έγραψε:
>>>> On 26/10/2013 14:27, Nick the Gr33k wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Buy a sex manual.
>>>>
>>> No need, i can practice with your mother.
>>>
>>
>> An interesting combination of stupid, tight fisted and a necrophiliac.
>>
> Αντε απο εδω ρε αφιονισμενη πουτσοτριχα.
>

I could almost feel sorry for you.  But the more of your time I waste 
the longer it'll take you to get your website working.  Did you ever 
stop to think about that?  Or are you too busy trolling hundreds of 
other mailing lists in parallel with this?  T

Thinking about my late mum I reckon she'd forgotten more about websites 
than you've ever learned, and she knew nothing about them.

Keep wasting your time here moron, I'm really getting into top gear with 
you now.

-- 
Python is the second best programming language in the world.
But the best has yet to be invented.  Christian Tismer

Mark Lawrence

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#57630

On Saturday, October 26, 2013 9:20:40 PM UTC+5:30, Mark Lawrence wrote:
> 
> I could almost feel sorry for you.  But the more of your time I waste 
> the longer it'll take you to get your website working.  Did you ever 
> stop to think about that?  Or are you too busy trolling hundreds of 
> other mailing lists in parallel with this?  T
> 
> 
> Thinking about my late mum I reckon she'd forgotten more about websites 
> than you've ever learned, and she knew nothing about them.
> 
> Keep wasting your time here moron, I'm really getting into top gear with 
> you now.

I happen to be among those who find your humour funny, Mark including the appositeness of your first rejoinder on this thread, considering the subject title.

After that its tasteless and disgusting.
So...
If you want to be funny please desist
[If you want to be disgusting you may persist]

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#57634

On 26/10/2013 17:05, rusi wrote:
> On Saturday, October 26, 2013 9:20:40 PM UTC+5:30, Mark Lawrence wrote:
>>
>> I could almost feel sorry for you.  But the more of your time I waste
>> the longer it'll take you to get your website working.  Did you ever
>> stop to think about that?  Or are you too busy trolling hundreds of
>> other mailing lists in parallel with this?  T
>>
>>
>> Thinking about my late mum I reckon she'd forgotten more about websites
>> than you've ever learned, and she knew nothing about them.
>>
>> Keep wasting your time here moron, I'm really getting into top gear with
>> you now.
>
> I happen to be among those who find your humour funny, Mark including the appositeness of your first rejoinder on this thread, considering the subject title.
>
> After that its tasteless and disgusting.
> So...
> If you want to be funny please desist
> [If you want to be disgusting you may persist]
>

Sorry me old son but my humour has developed over 40 years to cover how 
naturally quiet and shy I am, it ain't gonna change now.

-- 
Python is the second best programming language in the world.
But the best has yet to be invented.  Christian Tismer

Mark Lawrence

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#57668

Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> writes:

> I could almost feel sorry for you.  But the more of your time I waste
> the longer it'll take you to get your website working.

Feel free to occupy your time with baiting Nikos. But *do not* do it in
this forum.

-- 
 \       “I love and treasure individuals as I meet them, I loathe and |
  `\     despise the groups they identify with and belong to.” —George |
_o__)                                                     Carlin, 2007 |
Ben Finney

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#57742

Op 26-10-13 23:43, Ben Finney schreef:
> Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> writes:
>
>> I could almost feel sorry for you.  But the more of your time I waste
>> the longer it'll take you to get your website working.
>
> Feel free to occupy your time with baiting Nikos. But *do not* do it in
> this forum.

Would you mind telling this to others too. AFAICS Chris Angelico is just
as much baiting Nikos, as Mark Lawrence is. But I don't see you reacting
to Chris. So it seems you don't have a problem so much with baiting as
long as the baiting is done in a way you find acceptable.

Personnaly I don't see much difference between the two, so if you allow
Chris baiting Nikos, I don't see why Mark should hold back.

-- 
Antoon Pardon

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#57797

On Sun, 27 Oct 2013 14:30:52 +0100, Antoon Pardon wrote:

> Op 26-10-13 23:43, Ben Finney schreef:
>> Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> writes:
>>
>>> I could almost feel sorry for you.  But the more of your time I waste
>>> the longer it'll take you to get your website working.
>>
>> Feel free to occupy your time with baiting Nikos. But *do not* do it in
>> this forum.
> 
> Would you mind telling this to others too. AFAICS Chris Angelico is just
> as much baiting Nikos, as Mark Lawrence is. 

Chris is not baiting Nikos, he is giving him useful information that 
unfortunately Nikos doesn't want to hear. There is a difference between 
the answer you want and the answer you need.


> But I don't see you reacting
> to Chris. So it seems you don't have a problem so much with baiting as
> long as the baiting is done in a way you find acceptable.
> 
> Personnaly I don't see much difference between the two, so if you allow
> Chris baiting Nikos, I don't see why Mark should hold back.

Here's an analogy:

Person A: "Clean my room for me!"
Person B: "No. Clean it yourself. Here's the vacuum cleaner."
Person A: "CLEAN MY ROOM!!!"
Person B: "No. You made the mess, you're old enough to clean it yourself."

Person A: "Clean my room for me!"
Person C: "You're stupid and ugly and I hope you die!"

Do you see the difference yet?



-- 
Steven

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#57801

Op 28-10-13 08:44, Steven D'Aprano schreef:
> On Sun, 27 Oct 2013 14:30:52 +0100, Antoon Pardon wrote:
>
>> Op 26-10-13 23:43, Ben Finney schreef:
>>> Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> writes:
>>>
>>>> I could almost feel sorry for you.  But the more of your time I waste
>>>> the longer it'll take you to get your website working.
>>>
>>> Feel free to occupy your time with baiting Nikos. But *do not* do it in
>>> this forum.
>>
>> Would you mind telling this to others too. AFAICS Chris Angelico is just
>> as much baiting Nikos, as Mark Lawrence is.
>
> Chris is not baiting Nikos, he is giving him useful information that
> unfortunately Nikos doesn't want to hear. There is a difference between
> the answer you want and the answer you need.

Yes Chris is baiting. That he also provides contributions that are
helpful, doesn't contradict other contributions are baiting. It is even
possible for a helpful contribution to be baiting. If you know that a
generally helpful contribution, will probably just invite Nikos to
plead, insist, whine, ... that you solve the problem for him then you
are baiting him just as well.

>> But I don't see you reacting
>> to Chris. So it seems you don't have a problem so much with baiting as
>> long as the baiting is done in a way you find acceptable.
>>
>> Personnaly I don't see much difference between the two, so if you allow
>> Chris baiting Nikos, I don't see why Mark should hold back.
>
> Here's an analogy:
>
> Person A: "Clean my room for me!"
> Person B: "No. Clean it yourself. Here's the vacuum cleaner."
> Person A: "CLEAN MY ROOM!!!"
> Person B: "No. You made the mess, you're old enough to clean it yourself."
>
> Person A: "Clean my room for me!"
> Person C: "You're stupid and ugly and I hope you die!"
>
> Do you see the difference yet?

That difference is only important the first few times. If you already
suggested the vacuum cleaner countless times and you know that
suggesting the vacuum cleaner will result in a temper tantrum then
after a while, you suggesting the vaccuum cleaner is just as much
baiting. Sure it is more subtle and people who don't know the situation
may not see it, but for those who know what is likely going to happen
the difference is insignificant.

We all know that whatever answer you give to Nikos, that if it doesn't
completly solve his answer for him in a way he likes, he wil just
return and demand more. So limiting your contribution to information
that was already provided and which IHE didn't help, is baiting.

So stop excusing this kind of behaviour under the guise that it is
helpful. It isn't.

-- 
Antoon Pardon

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#57829

On 2013-10-28, Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> wrote:

> Chris is not baiting Nikos, he is giving him useful information that 
> unfortunately Nikos doesn't want to hear.

So he's replying to Nikos with responses that aren't helping Nikos and
just encourage more posts from Nikos.  I'm sure the _intent_ is
different than Mark's, but unfortunately, the result is identical.

-- 
Grant Edwards               grant.b.edwards        Yow! I guess you guys got
                                  at               BIG MUSCLES from doing too
                              gmail.com            much STUDYING!

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#57831

On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 1:33 AM, Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 2013-10-28, Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> wrote:
>
>> Chris is not baiting Nikos, he is giving him useful information that
>> unfortunately Nikos doesn't want to hear.
>
> So he's replying to Nikos with responses that aren't helping Nikos and
> just encourage more posts from Nikos.  I'm sure the _intent_ is
> different than Mark's, but unfortunately, the result is identical.

I still maintain that I'm not *baiting* him, though. Maybe it would be
better overall if I never even try to help him, but sometimes I just
get all paladiny... it feels wrong to *not* answer. And yeah, I know
pallies are fairly often doing the wrong thing just to be Lawful Good.
The weird bit is, I generally consider myself to be Chaotic Good... or
Chaotic Neutral even. I'm not a paladin at all!

ChrisA

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#57836

Op 28-10-13 15:38, Chris Angelico schreef:
> On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 1:33 AM, Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> On 2013-10-28, Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> wrote:
>>
>>> Chris is not baiting Nikos, he is giving him useful information that
>>> unfortunately Nikos doesn't want to hear.
>>
>> So he's replying to Nikos with responses that aren't helping Nikos and
>> just encourage more posts from Nikos.  I'm sure the _intent_ is
>> different than Mark's, but unfortunately, the result is identical.
> 
> I still maintain that I'm not *baiting* him, though.

I don't care. Maybe you can find some semantical rule, that will
give your behaviour an other etiket than "baiting", in the end
the effect on the list is the same, with Nikos feeling entitled
to insist to get an answer.

And if we want this to be a welcoming community, then we have to
care about the effects and not about the semantical category. So
should you want this to be a welcoming community, then you are
focussing on the wrong point.

> Maybe it would be
> better overall if I never even try to help him, but sometimes I just
> get all paladiny... it feels wrong to *not* answer.

What do you mean it feels wrong not to answer? Do you participate in
every subject? Do you engage at least everybody? Do you answer every
question that went unanswered? As far as I can see the answer is no
to each of these questions, so how come it feels wrong to not answer
Nikos?

-- 
Antoon Pardon

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#57838

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On 10/28/13 11:07 AM, Antoon Pardon wrote:
> Op 28-10-13 15:38, Chris Angelico schreef:
>> >On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 1:33 AM, Grant Edwards<invalid@invalid.invalid>  wrote:
>>> >>On 2013-10-28, Steven D'Aprano<steve@pearwood.info>  wrote:
>>> >>
>>>> >>>Chris is not baiting Nikos, he is giving him useful information that
>>>> >>>unfortunately Nikos doesn't want to hear.
>>> >>
>>> >>So he's replying to Nikos with responses that aren't helping Nikos and
>>> >>just encourage more posts from Nikos.  I'm sure the_intent_  is
>>> >>different than Mark's, but unfortunately, the result is identical.
>> >
>> >I still maintain that I'm not*baiting*  him, though.
> I don't care. Maybe you can find some semantical rule, that will
> give your behaviour an other etiket than "baiting", in the end
> the effect on the list is the same, with Nikos feeling entitled
> to insist to get an answer.
>
> And if we want this to be a welcoming community, then we have to
> care about the effects and not about the semantical category. So
> should you want this to be a welcoming community, then you are
> focussing on the wrong point.
>

I agree it is probably best to err on the side of ignoring Nikos. But 
there is a distinction between (say) Chris' response and Mark's.  The 
effect on Nikos is the same, but the effect on other readers, especially 
readers new to the list, is very different.

We've already seen a few new people explicitly asking, "is this what 
usually happens on this list?" and they weren't referring to the 
Chris-style response, they were referring to the Mark-style response.

If we want this to be a welcoming community, we have to understand that 
there are many more readers than there are authors, and the impression 
we make on them matters too.  Responding negatively, no matter how 
humorously, is not going to improve the group.  It might amuse the 
regulars, but it is not building a strong and welcoming community.  I 
also happen to think that responding negatively won't even achieve its 
stated purpose of making the help-vampire go away.

--Ned.

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#57842

On Monday, October 28, 2013 10:38:45 PM UTC+5:30, Ned Batchelder wrote:
> 
>     We've already seen a few new people explicitly asking, "is this what
>     usually happens on this list?" and they weren't referring to the
>     Chris-style response, they were referring to the Mark-style
>     response.

Here's the post of Vladimir Bugaj earlier in this same thread:

> I rarely ever post here.
> 
> But I wanted to say that people responding to this Nikos troll makes reading 
> this list a nuisance.

> You've never ever been successful in convincing him to behave, and it's been 
> going on for quite a while now.

> I remain subscribed for occasional  interesting new idioms and tips, but 
> always have to sift through this nonsense.

> And all of you who take the bait are as much a part of the problem as the troll.

> Just ignore the guy.

---------
How do you read this that he minds the 'Mark-style' post more than the 'Chris-style' post?

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