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Re: Cookie fucking problem

Date 2013-10-28 09:10 +0100
From Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be>
Subject Re: Cookie fucking problem
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Op 28-10-13 08:44, Steven D'Aprano schreef:
> On Sun, 27 Oct 2013 14:30:52 +0100, Antoon Pardon wrote:
>
>> Op 26-10-13 23:43, Ben Finney schreef:
>>> Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> writes:
>>>
>>>> I could almost feel sorry for you.  But the more of your time I waste
>>>> the longer it'll take you to get your website working.
>>>
>>> Feel free to occupy your time with baiting Nikos. But *do not* do it in
>>> this forum.
>>
>> Would you mind telling this to others too. AFAICS Chris Angelico is just
>> as much baiting Nikos, as Mark Lawrence is.
>
> Chris is not baiting Nikos, he is giving him useful information that
> unfortunately Nikos doesn't want to hear. There is a difference between
> the answer you want and the answer you need.

Yes Chris is baiting. That he also provides contributions that are
helpful, doesn't contradict other contributions are baiting. It is even
possible for a helpful contribution to be baiting. If you know that a
generally helpful contribution, will probably just invite Nikos to
plead, insist, whine, ... that you solve the problem for him then you
are baiting him just as well.

>> But I don't see you reacting
>> to Chris. So it seems you don't have a problem so much with baiting as
>> long as the baiting is done in a way you find acceptable.
>>
>> Personnaly I don't see much difference between the two, so if you allow
>> Chris baiting Nikos, I don't see why Mark should hold back.
>
> Here's an analogy:
>
> Person A: "Clean my room for me!"
> Person B: "No. Clean it yourself. Here's the vacuum cleaner."
> Person A: "CLEAN MY ROOM!!!"
> Person B: "No. You made the mess, you're old enough to clean it yourself."
>
> Person A: "Clean my room for me!"
> Person C: "You're stupid and ugly and I hope you die!"
>
> Do you see the difference yet?

That difference is only important the first few times. If you already
suggested the vacuum cleaner countless times and you know that
suggesting the vacuum cleaner will result in a temper tantrum then
after a while, you suggesting the vaccuum cleaner is just as much
baiting. Sure it is more subtle and people who don't know the situation
may not see it, but for those who know what is likely going to happen
the difference is insignificant.

We all know that whatever answer you give to Nikos, that if it doesn't
completly solve his answer for him in a way he likes, he wil just
return and demand more. So limiting your contribution to information
that was already provided and which IHE didn't help, is baiting.

So stop excusing this kind of behaviour under the guise that it is
helpful. It isn't.

-- 
Antoon Pardon

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Cookie fucking problem Nick the Gr33k <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-10-26 16:27 +0300
  Re: Cookie fucking problem Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-10-27 00:39 +1100
  Re: Cookie fucking problem Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2013-10-27 00:40 +1100
  Re: Cookie fucking problem Yaşar Arabacı <yasar11732@gmail.com> - 2013-10-26 17:05 +0300
  Re: Cookie fucking problem Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-10-26 15:34 +0100
    Re: Cookie fucking problem Nick the Gr33k <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-10-26 17:55 +0300
      Re: Cookie fucking problem Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-10-26 16:21 +0100
        Re: Cookie fucking problem Nick the Gr33k <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-10-26 18:25 +0300
          Re: Cookie fucking problem Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-10-26 16:50 +0100
            Re: Cookie fucking problem rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2013-10-26 09:05 -0700
              Re: Cookie fucking problem Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-10-26 17:22 +0100
          Re: Cookie fucking problem Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2013-10-27 08:43 +1100
          Re: Cookie fucking problem Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-10-27 14:30 +0100
            Re: Cookie fucking problem Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2013-10-28 07:44 +0000
              Re: Cookie fucking problem Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-10-28 09:10 +0100
              Re: Cookie fucking problem Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2013-10-28 14:33 +0000
                Re: Cookie fucking problem Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-10-29 01:38 +1100
                Re: Cookie fucking problem Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-10-28 16:07 +0100
                Re: Cookie fucking problem Ned Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com> - 2013-10-28 13:08 -0400
                Re: Cookie fucking problem rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2013-10-28 10:53 -0700
                Re: Cookie fucking problem Ned Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com> - 2013-10-28 14:22 -0400
                Being a welcoming place [was Re: Cookie fucking problem] Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2013-10-29 05:10 +0000
              Re: Cookie fucking problem rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2013-10-28 09:51 -0700
          Re: Cookie fucking problem Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2013-10-28 10:26 +1100
            Re: Cookie fucking problem rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2013-10-27 20:44 -0700
            Re: Cookie fucking problem Neil Cerutti <neilc@norwich.edu> - 2013-10-28 13:20 +0000
              Re: Cookie fucking problem Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2013-10-29 05:28 +0000
                Re: Cookie fr*cking problem Neil Cerutti <neilc@norwich.edu> - 2013-10-29 12:17 +0000
          Re: Cookie fucking problem Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-10-28 08:13 +0100
      Re: Cookie fucking problem Ned Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com> - 2013-10-26 12:00 -0400
    Re: Cookie fucking problem Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-10-26 16:00 +0000
      Re: Cookie fucking problem Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-10-26 17:19 +0100
      Re: Cookie fucking problem Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-10-26 19:18 +0200
        Re: Cookie fucking problem Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2013-10-28 14:38 +0000
      Re: Cookie fucking problem Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-10-26 19:23 +0200
      Re: Cookie xxxxing problem Stephan Vladimir Bugaj <sbugaj@pixar.com> - 2013-10-26 12:32 -0700
        Re: Cookie xxxxing problem rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2013-10-27 08:59 -0700
      Re: Cookie fucking problem Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-10-26 22:22 +0100
      Re: Cookie fucking problem Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2013-10-27 08:44 +1100
      Re: Cookie fucking problem Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-10-28 11:14 +0100
  Re: Cookie fucking problem Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-10-26 16:02 +0000
  Re: Cookie (expletive) problem Zero Piraeus <z@etiol.net> - 2013-10-26 10:49 -0300

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