Re: Gmail eats Python

From	alister <alister.nospam.ware@ntlworld.com>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.python
Subject	Re: Gmail eats Python
Date	2015-07-26 09:21 +0000
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On Sun, 26 Jul 2015 01:50:21 -0700, Rustom Mody wrote:

> On Sunday, July 26, 2015 at 2:06:00 PM UTC+5:30, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
>> Rustom Mody :
>> 
>> > Emacs 'tries to be everything' in exactly the same way that a
>> > 'general purpose programming language' is too general and by
>> > pretending to solve all problems actually solves none (until you hire
>> > a programmer).
>> 
>> Emacs isn't too general. It's just right.
>> 
>> > Problem with emacs (culture) is that its aficionados assume that a
>> > superb conceptual design trumps technological relevance,
>> 
>> It's relevant to me every day, for business and pleasure.
>> 
>> > [Did you notice that you used the locutions 'M-$', 'M-x'? What sense
>> > does this 80s terminology make to an emacs uninitiate in 2015?
>> 
>> They can be initiated in mere seconds to that esoteric knowledge.
> 
> You are being obtuse Marko!
> 
> Yeah that 'M-' is what everyone calls Alt can be conveyed in a few
> seconds But there are a hundred completely useless pieces of
> comtemporary-to-emacs inconsistency:
> - What everyone calls a window, emacs calls a frame - And what emacs
> calls a window, everyone calls a pane - What everyone does with C-x
> emacs does with C-w (and woe betide if you mix that up)
> - What everyone calls head (of a list) emacs calls Car (Toyota?)
> 
> 
>> > From seeing my 20-year-olf students suffer all this
>> 
>> What do your students suffer from? The beauty of the matter is that
>> they can use any editor they like. They don't have to like or use
>> emacs.
>> 
>> (In some shops you actually virtually *have* to use Eclipse or Visual
>> Studio or the some such thing. That *is* painful.)
>> 
>> > combined with the hopelessness of convincing the emacs folks that we
>> > are in 2015, not 1980,
>> 
>> What do you need to convince emacs folks about? Emacs isn't perfect at
>> everything, but the emacs developers have kept it admirably up to date.
>> It has been following the quirks of Java, git and MS Exchange even if
>> it has been an uphill battle.
>> 
>> > I conclude this is a losing battle
>> 
>> What would you like to achieve, exactly?
> 
> Some attitude correction?
> That emacs starts its tutorial showing how to use C-p and C-n for what
> everyone uses arrows is bad enough.
> That the arrow-keys are later found to work quite alright is even worse
> and speaks of a ridiculous attitude

emacs is a great operating system - the only thing it lacks is a good 
text editor ;-)



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Re: Gmail eats Python Jussi Piitulainen <jpiitula@ling.helsinki.fi> - 2015-07-25 20:47 +0300
  Re: Gmail eats Python Jussi Piitulainen <jpiitula@ling.helsinki.fi> - 2015-07-25 20:52 +0300
    Re: Gmail eats Python Laura Creighton <lac@openend.se> - 2015-07-25 20:05 +0200
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  Re: Gmail eats Python Jon Ribbens <jon+usenet@unequivocal.co.uk> - 2015-07-25 18:44 +0000
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    Re: Gmail eats Python Jussi Piitulainen <jpiitula@ling.helsinki.fi> - 2015-07-26 08:01 +0300
      Re: Gmail eats Python Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2015-07-25 22:28 -0700
        Re: Gmail eats Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2015-07-26 15:34 +1000
          Re: Gmail eats Python Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2015-07-25 23:15 -0700
            Re: Gmail eats Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2015-07-26 16:25 +1000
              Re: Gmail eats Python Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2015-07-26 09:55 +0300
                Re: Gmail eats Python Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2015-07-26 01:20 -0700
                Re: Gmail eats Python Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2015-07-26 11:35 +0300
                Re: Gmail eats Python Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2015-07-26 01:50 -0700
                Re: Gmail eats Python alister <alister.nospam.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2015-07-26 09:21 +0000
                Re: Gmail eats Python Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-07-26 12:27 +0100
                Re: Gmail eats Python Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2015-07-26 12:51 +0300
                Re: Gmail eats Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2015-07-26 20:03 +1000
                Re: Gmail eats Python Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2015-07-26 13:31 +0300
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                Re: Gmail eats Python Larry Martell <larry.martell@gmail.com> - 2015-07-29 10:53 -0400
                Re: Gmail eats Python Jussi Piitulainen <jpiitula@ling.helsinki.fi> - 2015-07-26 13:43 +0300
                Re: Gmail eats Python Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2015-07-26 06:16 -0700
                Re: Gmail eats Python Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2015-07-28 20:35 -0700
                Re: Gmail eats Python Laura Creighton <lac@openend.se> - 2015-07-29 18:32 +0200
              Re: Gmail eats Python Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2015-07-26 15:42 +0000
            Re: Gmail eats Python Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-07-26 12:25 +0100
        Re: Gmail eats Python Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2015-07-26 15:47 +0000
          Re: Gmail eats Python Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2015-07-26 08:59 -0700
            Re: Gmail eats Python Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-07-26 18:21 +0100
            Re: Gmail eats Python Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2015-07-27 03:40 +1000
              Re: Gmail eats Python Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2015-07-26 14:34 -0700
              Re: Gmail eats Python Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2015-07-27 11:47 +1000
            Re: Gmail eats Python Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2015-07-26 19:45 +0000
              Re: Gmail eats Python Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2015-07-26 14:54 -0700
  Re: Gmail eats Python Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2015-07-26 14:49 +1000
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