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On Monday, July 27, 2015 at 1:15:29 AM UTC+5:30, Grant Edwards wrote:
> On 2015-07-26, Rustom Mody  wrote:
> > On Sunday, July 26, 2015 at 9:17:16 PM UTC+5:30, Grant Edwards wrote:
> >> On 2015-07-26, Rustom Mody wrote:
> >> 
> >>> JFTR: Ive been using emacs for 20+ years.  And I have the increasing
> >>> feeling that my students are getting fedup with it (and me).
> 
> [...]
> >> Why do your students even _know_ (let alone care!) what editor you
> >> use?
> >> 
> >> I admit it was years ago, but after attending three universities and
> >> getting a BS in Computer Engineering and an MS in Computer Science and
> >> Electrical Engieneering, I hadn't the foggiest idea what editors any
> >> of the faculty used.  Nor would I have cared one way or the other if I
> >> had known.
> >
> > Its 2015 now and any ½ decent teacher of programming, writes programs
> > in front of the class. And debugs and hacks and pokes around
> > OS-related stuff (ps, top and more arcane) etc. 
> 
> I still don't get it.
> 
> You're not teaching the _editor_, so why would it matter to anybody
> which editor you're using to show them the code?  They can see the
> code, and they can see what it does.  Are they too stupid to figure
> out how to insert or delete a line using whatever editor they prefer?
> 
> I remember being shown live examples in a numerical programming class,
> and not only was the _editor_ one I had never touched (or would), the
> language and OS were ones I had never used and never would.  It didn't
> detract from what was actually being _taught_ -- which was not "how to
> edit and run programs on an Apple-something-or-other".
> 
> The live examples we were shown for APL not only used a differnt
> editor, OS, and virtual machine that we used, it didn't even use the
> same character set!
> 
> I guess I have unealisitically high expections of modern students.
> 
> ... and back then all we had were zeros!

Was setting up machines for use a job you did in your days?
I know we didn't set up any -- there were no machines to set up other than the 
privately unaffordable public resources.
Today a machine is about as personal and private as a toothbrush.

DevOps is a fashionable term these days.
We used to call it system-administration.
As expected CS education is about 10 years behind the curve in seeing its
importance

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