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Re: AttributeError in "with" statement (3.2.2)

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Ethan Furman wrote:
> Terry Reedy wrote:
>> On 12/16/2011 4:22 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
>>> On Thu, 15 Dec 2011 19:39:17 -0500, Terry Reedy wrote:
>>> [...]
>>>
>>> After reading your post, I think I have worked out where our 
>>> disagreement
>>> lies: you think that bound methods and instance methods are not the same
>>> thing,
>>
>> Do you agree that an unbound method and a bound method are different? 
>> In Python, as indicated by the glossary entry, an unspecified 'method' 
>> is usually meant to be an unbound method. 
> 
> I think you two are in violent agreement as far as how Python is 
> functioning, and the conflict is in the names given to the various 
> pieces... I think a glossary would help (please correct me):
> 
> function:  callable code suite
> 
> method:  function that lives in a class
> 
> unbound method:  function that lives in a class
> 
> bound method:  callable wrapper around function that has been extracted 
> from class that will supply the instance object to the function (note: 
> Python does not save these, they are recreated at each lookup)

I think the above 'bound method' definition should be attributed to 
Terry, and Steven's follows:

bound method:  callable wrapper around any function that will accept an 
instance object as the first parameter, and the wrapper will supply said 
instance object when calling the function (and where/how function was 
created is irrelevent, as is where the wrapper is stored)
> 
> 
> and here is where I think you two diverge:
> 
> instance method (Steven):  a bound method that has been saved into the 
> instance __dict__ (no matter how created)
> 
> instance method (Terry):  a function that must be looked up in the class
> 
> 
> Have I missed anything?
> 
> Honestly-trying-learn-the-distinctions-ly yours,
> 
> ~Ethan~

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AttributeError in "with" statement (3.2.2) Steve Howell <showell30@yahoo.com> - 2011-12-13 21:42 -0800
  Re: AttributeError in "with" statement (3.2.2) Eric Snow <ericsnowcurrently@gmail.com> - 2011-12-13 23:05 -0700
  Re: AttributeError in "with" statement (3.2.2) Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2011-12-14 01:29 -0500
    Re: AttributeError in "with" statement (3.2.2) Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2011-12-14 08:01 +0000
      Re: AttributeError in "with" statement (3.2.2) 88888 Dihedral <dihedral88888@googlemail.com> - 2011-12-14 08:08 -0800
        Re: AttributeError in "with" statement (3.2.2) 88888 Dihedral <dihedral88888@googlemail.com> - 2011-12-14 08:28 -0800
      Re: AttributeError in "with" statement (3.2.2) Steve Howell <showell30@yahoo.com> - 2011-12-14 09:16 -0800
      Re: AttributeError in "with" statement (3.2.2) Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2011-12-14 18:13 -0500
        Re: AttributeError in "with" statement (3.2.2) Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2011-12-15 05:01 +0000
          Re: AttributeError in "with" statement (3.2.2) MRAB <python@mrabarnett.plus.com> - 2011-12-15 05:15 +0000
            Re: AttributeError in "with" statement (3.2.2) Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2011-12-15 07:21 +0000
            Re: AttributeError in "with" statement (3.2.2) Gregory Ewing <greg.ewing@canterbury.ac.nz> - 2011-12-16 09:34 +1300
          Re: AttributeError in "with" statement (3.2.2) Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2011-12-15 07:47 +0000
          Re: AttributeError in "with" statement (3.2.2) Steve Howell <showell30@yahoo.com> - 2011-12-15 05:35 -0800
            Re: AttributeError in "with" statement (3.2.2) Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2011-12-16 03:34 +0000
          Re: AttributeError in "with" statement (3.2.2) Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2011-12-15 19:39 -0500
            Re: AttributeError in "with" statement (3.2.2) Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2011-12-16 09:22 +0000
              Re: AttributeError in "with" statement (3.2.2) Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2011-12-16 17:05 -0500
                Re: AttributeError in "with" statement (3.2.2) Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2011-12-17 01:26 +0000
                Re: AttributeError in "with" statement (3.2.2) Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2011-12-17 21:09 -0500
              Re: AttributeError in "with" statement (3.2.2) Ethan Furman <ethan@stoneleaf.us> - 2011-12-16 15:26 -0800
                Re: AttributeError in "with" statement (3.2.2) Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2011-12-17 03:05 +0000
              Re: AttributeError in "with" statement (3.2.2) Ethan Furman <ethan@stoneleaf.us> - 2011-12-16 16:34 -0800
  Re: AttributeError in "with" statement (3.2.2) Peter Otten <__peter__@web.de> - 2011-12-14 11:02 +0100
  Re: AttributeError in "with" statement (3.2.2) Eric Snow <ericsnowcurrently@gmail.com> - 2011-12-14 09:56 -0700
  Re: AttributeError in "with" statement (3.2.2) Lie Ryan <lie.1296@gmail.com> - 2011-12-15 06:14 +1100
  Re: AttributeError in "with" statement (3.2.2) Eric Snow <ericsnowcurrently@gmail.com> - 2011-12-14 12:46 -0700

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