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Re: Future standard GUI library

From Wolfgang Keller <feliphil@gmx.net>
Newsgroups comp.lang.python
Subject Re: Future standard GUI library
Date 2013-06-12 22:28 +0200
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> > A "touch-type" GUI is a "must have" for any application that's
> > supposed to be used productively. The mouse is nice to "explore" a
> > GUI or for occasional/leisurely use, but once you use an
> > application daily to earn your living, it's a hopeless roadblock
> > for productivity.
> 
> You have seriously underestimated the power of the combined
> keyboard+mouse interface.

As someone who has started to use computers with the Atari ST and later
the Mac, and as someone who has never become proficient himself with
any of the various Unix shells (besides that I had to learn to *hate*
any version of MS DOS or MS (Not Responding)), I certainly don't
underestimate the value of the mouse.

But could it be that you have never seen an actually proficient user of
a typical "enterprise" application (ERP, MRP, whatever) "zipping"
through the GUI of his/her bread-and-butter application so fast that
you can not even read the titles of windows or dialog boxes.

Obviously, this won't work if the client runs on this pathological
non-operating system MS (Not Responding), much less with "web
applications".

Oh, and btw; SAP is a particularly illustrative example for the horrible
response time behaviour of applications with centralised application
logic. They call it "hour-glass display program" over here,
"SanduhrAnzeigeProgramm" in German.

> > As is the "response time" behaviour of "web applications".
> 
> On a LAN, with a proper back-end, I can get instant response from a
> web app. 

I have been involved as "domain specialist" (and my input has always
been consistently conveniently ignored) with projects for web
applications and the results never turned out to be even remotely usable
for actually productive work.

Sincerely,

Wolfgang

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Future standard GUI library Beinan Li <li.beinan@gmail.com> - 2013-05-18 10:03 -0400
  Re: Future standard GUI library Kevin Walzer <kw@codebykevin.com> - 2013-05-18 11:32 -0400
  Re: Future standard GUI library Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-05-18 21:25 +0000
  Re: Future standard GUI library llanitedave <llanitedave@veawb.coop> - 2013-05-18 20:01 -0700
    Re: Future standard GUI library Kevin Walzer <kw@codebykevin.com> - 2013-05-19 08:57 -0400
  Re: Future standard GUI library Wolfgang Keller <feliphil@gmx.net> - 2013-05-22 15:42 +0200
    Re: Future standard GUI library Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-05-23 00:24 +1000
      Re: Future standard GUI library llanitedave <llanitedave@veawb.coop> - 2013-05-22 19:31 -0700
        Re: Future standard GUI library Fábio Santos <fabiosantosart@gmail.com> - 2013-05-23 07:43 +0100
        Re: Future standard GUI library Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-05-23 16:48 +1000
        RE: Future standard GUI library Carlos Nepomuceno <carlosnepomuceno@outlook.com> - 2013-05-23 09:58 +0300
        Re: Future standard GUI library Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-05-23 17:03 +1000
        RE: Future standard GUI library Fábio Santos <fabiosantosart@gmail.com> - 2013-05-23 08:08 +0100
      Re: Future standard GUI library Wolfgang Keller <feliphil@gmx.net> - 2013-05-23 17:41 +0200
        Re: Future standard GUI library Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-05-24 01:51 +1000
          Re: Future standard GUI library Wolfgang Keller <feliphil@gmx.net> - 2013-05-26 19:43 +0200
            Re: Future standard GUI library Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2013-05-26 14:16 -0400
              Re: Future standard GUI library Wolfgang Keller <feliphil@gmx.net> - 2013-05-27 17:31 +0200
                Re: Future standard GUI library Michael Torrie <torriem@gmail.com> - 2013-05-27 11:13 -0600
                Re: Future standard GUI library Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-05-28 08:21 +1000
                Re: Future standard GUI library Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2013-05-27 19:10 -0400
                Re: Future standard GUI library Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-05-28 17:11 +1000
                Re: Future standard GUI library 88888 Dihedral <dihedral88888@gmail.com> - 2013-05-28 02:40 -0700
                Re: Future standard GUI library Denis McMahon <denismfmcmahon@gmail.com> - 2013-05-28 01:01 +0000
            RE: Future standard GUI library Carlos Nepomuceno <carlosnepomuceno@outlook.com> - 2013-05-26 21:32 +0300
              Re: Future standard GUI library Wolfgang Keller <feliphil@gmx.net> - 2013-05-28 19:26 +0200
                Re: Future standard GUI library Michael Torrie <torriem@gmail.com> - 2013-05-28 12:16 -0600
                RE: Future standard GUI library Carlos Nepomuceno <carlosnepomuceno@outlook.com> - 2013-05-29 00:17 +0300
                Re: Future standard GUI library Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-05-29 17:20 +1000
            Re: Future standard GUI library Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-05-27 04:56 +1000
            Re: Future standard GUI library Michael Torrie <torriem@gmail.com> - 2013-05-26 13:41 -0600
              Re: Future standard GUI library Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2013-05-26 15:45 -0400
                Re: Future standard GUI library Michael Torrie <torriem@gmail.com> - 2013-05-26 15:13 -0600
                Re: Future standard GUI library Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2013-05-28 15:40 +0000
              Re: Future standard GUI library Wolfgang Keller <feliphil@gmx.net> - 2013-05-27 17:22 +0200
                Re: Future standard GUI library Michael Torrie <torriem@gmail.com> - 2013-05-27 11:16 -0600
                Re: Future standard GUI library Wolfgang Keller <feliphil@gmx.net> - 2013-05-30 18:40 +0200
                Re: Future standard GUI library Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-05-31 02:53 +1000
                Re: Future standard GUI library Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-06-02 06:46 +1000
                Re: Future standard GUI library Wolfgang Keller <feliphil@gmx.net> - 2013-06-12 22:28 +0200
                Re: Future standard GUI library "Frank Millman" <frank@chagford.com> - 2013-06-13 11:32 +0200
                Re: Future standard GUI library Wolfgang Keller <feliphil@gmx.net> - 2013-06-14 17:18 +0200
                Re: Future standard GUI library Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-06-15 03:00 +1000
                Re: Future standard GUI library Wolfgang Keller <feliphil@gmx.net> - 2013-06-15 14:25 +0200
                Re: Future standard GUI library Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-06-15 23:26 +1000
                Re: Future standard GUI library Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-06-14 00:04 +1000
                Re: Future standard GUI library "Frank Millman" <frank@chagford.com> - 2013-06-14 07:39 +0200
                Re: Future standard GUI library Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-06-14 19:10 +1000
                Re: Future standard GUI library "Frank Millman" <frank@chagford.com> - 2013-06-14 11:36 +0200
                Re: Future standard GUI library Wolfgang Keller <feliphil@gmx.net> - 2013-06-01 20:18 +0200
                Re: Future standard GUI library Terry Jan Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2013-06-01 17:52 -0400
            Re: Future standard GUI library Ian Foote <ian@feete.org> - 2013-05-26 22:02 +0100
            Re: Future standard GUI library Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-05-27 08:09 +1000
        Re: Future standard GUI library Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2013-05-23 20:37 +0000
          Re: Future standard GUI library Wolfgang Keller <feliphil@gmx.net> - 2013-05-28 19:28 +0200
            Re: Future standard GUI library Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2013-05-28 18:25 +0000
              Re: Future standard GUI library 88888 Dihedral <dihedral88888@gmail.com> - 2013-05-28 16:19 -0700

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