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Re: parallel random-access machine (parallel RAM or PRAM)

From Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com>
Newsgroups comp.lang.misc, sci.physics.relativity, sci.physics
Subject Re: parallel random-access machine (parallel RAM or PRAM)
Date 2025-12-04 09:57 +0100
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On 2025-12-04 07:50, Thomas Heger wrote:
> Am Mittwoch000003, 03.12.2025 um 08:02 schrieb Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn:
>> Thomas Heger wrote:
>>> Am Montag000001, 01.12.2025 um 13:23 schrieb Maciej Woźniak:
>>>> On 12/1/2025 12:15 PM, Mild Shock wrote:
>>>>> You wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>   > No, they don't, they just add one (or some)
>>>>>   > more layer on top of it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Techically they are not von Neuman architecture.
>>>>> Unified Memory with Multiple Tensor Cores is
>>>>> not von Neuman architecture.
>>>>
>>>> We can use von Neumann architecture
>>>> to emulate other architectures, but as long as it
>>>> is performed by our computers it is technically
>>>> von Neumann's.
>>>>
>>> Did you know, that 'von Neuman architecture'
>>
>> It really is spelled _von Neumann_, named after the Hungarian-American
>> polymath John von Neumann.  He was born (as Neumann János Lajos) into a
>> non-observant Jewish family, and raised, in Budapest, then in the 
>> Empire of
>> Austria-Hungary.  His family name may be of German origin.
>>
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_von_Neumann#Life_and_education>
>>
>>> was actually invented and patented by Konrad Zuse in Germany in the 
>>> early
>>> 1930th?
>>
>> NOT true.  Von Neumann's architecture "was based on the work of J. 
>> Presper
>> Eckert and John Mauchly, inventors of ENIAC and its successor, EDVAC."
> 
> 
> https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zuse_Z3
> 
> Didn't you know, that 1937 was much earlier than the Eniac in 1945?

That's the date of the Z1, isn't it? - The Z3 came later, 1941.

While concepts of modern computers where already exiting in Z1
the first reliably running computer system was the Z3, AFAIK.
Yes, before the ENIAC. And the plans for the Z3 were of course
designed before their initial operation in 1941, and based on
concepts also of its predecessors.

But yes, history was widely misrepresented and ignoring those!
This is an effect you can observe also in other technical areas.

> 
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_von_Neumann#Computer_science>
>>
>> ENIAC (completed in 1945) and EDVAC (completed in 1949, in operation from
>> 1951 to 1962) were "programmable, electronic, general-purpose digital
>> computers".  They were NOT based on or copies of the Z series of 
>> computers
>> as invented and built by Konrad Zuse; the first computer of that 
>> series that
>> was fully digital was the Z5, ordered in 1950 and delivered in 1953:

I think that statement with the somewhat fuzzy term "fully digital"
and its attribution to the Z5 (and not before) is not correct.

The point is that the first computers had slight variances in their
concepts, and if one wants to claim being the first all he has to
do is defining the own variances as the characteristic properties
of "a real [first] computer".

To me it's quite obvious that the Z3 was the first running computer
with binary logic and programmable.

But given the severe nationalistic/patriotic struggles and battles
who was the first who invented whatever important was invented will
make discussions here fruitless. The facts (dates and features, and
even construction plans) can be found online, and instead of hitting
each others' heads with fitting "definitions" to justify one or the
other position (which is doomed to fail) people can read the sources
and judge themselves; there's a lot of substantial/reliable material
available.

>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ENIAC>
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EDVAC>
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Z5_(computer)>
>>
>>> The liberators stole it from Zuse (like zillions of other patents from
>>> other German inventors).
>>
> 
> 'Operation paperclip' was actually a systematical manhunt by US forces 
> for German scientists.
> 
> Also the patens were plundered, especially those from single inventors 
> like Zuse.
> 
> The US tropps actually invaded eastern Germany prior to Soviet troops, 
> because they wanted to get hold of scientists from Ohrdruf in Thuringia.
> 
> TH
> 

(I wonder whether any of above newsgroups is relevant for that topic.)

Janis

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Re: parallel random-access machine (parallel RAM or PRAM) Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-12-04 07:50 +0100
  Re: parallel random-access machine (parallel RAM or PRAM) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2025-12-04 09:57 +0100
    Re: parallel random-access machine (parallel RAM or PRAM) Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2025-12-06 17:02 +0100
      Re: parallel random-access machine (parallel RAM or PRAM) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2025-12-06 18:02 +0100
        Re: parallel random-access machine (parallel RAM or PRAM) Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2025-12-07 12:59 +0100
      Re: parallel random-access machine (parallel RAM or PRAM) Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-12-07 10:31 +0100
        Re: parallel random-access machine (parallel RAM or PRAM) Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2025-12-07 13:00 +0100
    Re: parallel random-access machine (parallel RAM or PRAM) Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-12-07 10:22 +0100
      Re: parallel random-access machine (parallel RAM or PRAM) Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2025-12-07 10:39 +0100
      Re: parallel random-access machine (parallel RAM or PRAM) Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2025-12-07 10:46 +0100
        Re: parallel random-access machine (parallel RAM or PRAM) Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-12-08 08:10 +0100
          Re: parallel random-access machine (parallel RAM or PRAM) Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2025-12-08 08:44 +0100
          Re: parallel random-access machine (parallel RAM or PRAM) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2025-12-08 08:49 +0100
      Re: parallel random-access machine (parallel RAM or PRAM) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2025-12-07 11:42 +0100
        Re: parallel random-access machine (parallel RAM or PRAM) Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-12-07 16:26 +0200
          Re: parallel random-access machine (parallel RAM or PRAM) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2025-12-08 04:25 +0100
            Re: parallel random-access machine (parallel RAM or PRAM) Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2025-12-08 08:51 +0100
            Re: parallel random-access machine (parallel RAM or PRAM) Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-12-08 13:58 +0200
            Re: parallel random-access machine (parallel RAM or PRAM) Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-12-09 09:15 +0100
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        Re: parallel random-access machine (parallel RAM or PRAM) Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-12-08 08:21 +0100
          Re: parallel random-access machine (parallel RAM or PRAM) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2025-12-08 09:06 +0100
            Re: parallel random-access machine (parallel RAM or PRAM) Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-12-09 09:19 +0100
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                Re: parallel random-access machine (parallel RAM or PRAM) The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-12-10 10:01 -0800
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                Re: parallel random-access machine (parallel RAM or PRAM) The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-12-14 12:52 -0800
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