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Re: multi browser forms issue

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From Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de>
Reply-To Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <cljs@PointedEars.de>
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Date Mon, 07 Nov 2011 15:51:10 +0100
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Subject Re: multi browser forms issue
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Eric Bednarz wrote in comp.lang.javascript:

> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> writes:
>> Eric Bednarz wrote:
>>> David Mark <dmark.cinsoft@gmail.com> writes:
>>>>> <!DOCTYPE HTML>
>>>> Why are you using HTML5?
>>> That’s not ‘using HTML5’, that’s choosing a rendering mode in a mnemonic
>>> fashion, and without the cargo cult parts that do nothing.
>> Incorrect.  There is a difference in rendering between using a DOCTYPE
>> declaration without a public identifier (as here), a DOCTYPE declaration
>> containing only a public identifier, and a DOCTYPE declaration containing
>> both a public and a system identifier.
> 
> “You should have provided some proof of your assertion, such as” an
> example of an external identifier that is expected to set rendering to
> ‘standards compatibility’ (e.g. system and public identifier for HTML
> 4.01) and results in a different ‘standards compatibility’ than your
> “proper, if colloquial, synonym” for HTML5 does.

Generally known facts, such as the existence of Standards, Almost Standards, 
and Quirks Mode, and the different DOCTYPE declarations that do and do not 
trigger them, do not require reference (in particular not here, where those 
are rather well-known basics).  I have also provided enough information so 
that your statement can be easily falsified.

FWIW: <http://hsivonen.iki.fi/doctype/>, referred by 
<http://www.quirksmode.org/css/quirksmode.html>, provides a good overview.  
What appears to be missing from that article is the case of the omitted 
system identifier, but that is easily demonstrated, and explained at, e. g., 
<https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Mozilla's_DOCTYPE_sniffing>.


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multi browser forms issue Dizzee <slightlyandy@gmail.com> - 2011-11-06 14:07 -0800
  Re: multi browser forms issue Denis McMahon <denismfmcmahon@gmail.com> - 2011-11-06 22:38 +0000
  Re: multi browser forms issue David Mark <dmark.cinsoft@gmail.com> - 2011-11-07 04:40 -0800
    Re: multi browser forms issue Eric Bednarz <bednarz@fahr-zur-hoelle.org> - 2011-11-07 14:01 +0100
      Re: multi browser forms issue Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2011-11-07 14:13 +0100
        Re: multi browser forms issue Eric Bednarz <bednarz@fahr-zur-hoelle.org> - 2011-11-07 14:58 +0100
          Re: multi browser forms issue Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2011-11-07 15:51 +0100
      Re: multi browser forms issue "Jukka K. Korpela" <jkorpela@cs.tut.fi> - 2011-11-07 16:08 +0200
      Re: multi browser forms issue David Mark <dmark.cinsoft@gmail.com> - 2011-11-07 13:05 -0800
        Re: multi browser forms issue Eric Bednarz <bednarz@fahr-zur-hoelle.org> - 2011-11-07 23:07 +0100
          Re: multi browser forms issue Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2011-11-07 23:26 +0100
            Re: multi browser forms issue Eric Bednarz <bednarz@fahr-zur-hoelle.org> - 2011-11-09 20:17 +0100
              Re: multi browser forms issue Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2011-11-10 18:42 +0100
                Re: multi browser forms issue Eric Bednarz <bednarz@fahr-zur-hoelle.org> - 2011-11-11 23:38 +0100

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