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Re: multi-line Strings

From Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca>
Newsgroups comp.lang.java.programmer
Subject Re: multi-line Strings
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Date 2012-12-11 05:01 -0400

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On 12/10/2012 09:56 PM, Martin Gregorie wrote:
> On Mon, 10 Dec 2012 17:35:37 -0800, markspace wrote:
>
>> On 12/10/2012 4:17 PM, Martin Gregorie wrote:
>>> I've always liked the Awk and Perl default convention of delimiting
>>> regexes with slashes: /regex/ - if their compilers can deal with this
>>> cleanly, the Java compiler could surely do the same.
>>
>> Perl, especially, and "cleanly" don't belong in the same sentence.  Or
>> paragraph.  Or solar system.
>>
> Yes, couldn't agree more. The only languages I've used that approach the
> ugliness of Perl are Python (its object construction and handling are
> every bit as nasty as Perls) and RPG II (designing an HLL to look exactly
> like a fixed field assembler is just plain perverse).
>
> I'll use awk+bash in preference to Perl any day. However, Perl almost
> certainly inherited its use of /regex/ delimiters from awk, which is a
> fairly elegant and minimal scripting system and I do like those
> delimiters.
>
> Don't forget that Perl, in its earliest form, was very obviously built by
> mashing together a lot of Bourn Shell syntax with bits nicked from awk
> and sed and completed by shovelling in the most useful bits of several
> small UNIX utilities. Larry Wall has always acknowledged that as being
> its origin. Its got a bit more structured and usable since then, but IMO
> its still damned ugly.

I'm not all that religious about any language, but let's spread the lack 
of love around - Java can be awesomely ugly when it hits a problem it's 
not suited for. And it often doesn't compete nearly as well as, say, 
Perl or Python, if it's in a problem realm where it results in 3x or 
more code to solve a given problem.

I just now close-of-business yesterday finished a chunk of code that 
despite some 15 years of working with Java isn't anything but ugly...and 
I stipulate that it's not an uncommon ugly as far as Java and certain 
types of problems go. Very complex SQL so a native JPA query that needs 
to be assembled, trees using the Swing implementations, enumerations, 
iterators, *lots* of list operations, *lots* of conditional intermediate 
getter and setter operations to build the list of final result objects 
to pass back to XStream for the REST call response...it's not pretty.

In a problem like this Java becomes kludgy because of death by a 
thousand cuts. You do everything best practise (or decent practise) and 
you still end up with hard-to-read clumsy code: no type inference so too 
much verbiage, no C#-style properties so dozens of getter/setter usages 
start looking pretty opaque...a Perl or Python equivalent _would_ look 
considerably better. Ironically even the use of longer, descriptive 
variable and method names can be self-defeating in this scenario - it's 
just more bloat.

And it's telling that you have libraries like StringUtils or Google 
Guava that supply a list "join" method if you don't care to write your 
own loop to handle it. Another one of those thousand cuts that adds to 
the bloat.

I'll probably end up refactoring some of the code - but in another 
language like Perl or Python or Scala or Ruby or C# I'd not have to 
refactor in the first place.

AHS

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multi-line Strings bob smith <bob@coolfone.comze.com> - 2012-12-10 08:22 -0800
  Re: multi-line Strings Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-12-10 11:43 -0500
    Re: multi-line Strings Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net> - 2012-12-10 09:36 -0800
    Re: multi-line Strings markspace <-@.> - 2012-12-10 09:42 -0800
      Re: multi-line Strings Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net> - 2012-12-10 09:51 -0800
        Re: multi-line Strings markspace <-@.> - 2012-12-10 10:27 -0800
          Re: multi-line Strings Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> - 2012-12-10 13:43 -0500
            Re: multi-line Strings Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-12-10 15:08 -0500
              Re: multi-line Strings markspace <-@.> - 2012-12-10 13:05 -0800
              Re: multi-line Strings Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> - 2012-12-10 16:22 -0500
                Re: multi-line Strings markspace <-@.> - 2012-12-10 13:36 -0800
                Re: multi-line Strings Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-12-10 16:52 -0500
                Re: multi-line Strings Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> - 2012-12-10 18:04 -0500
                Re: multi-line Strings Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2012-12-11 00:17 +0000
                Re: multi-line Strings markspace <-@.> - 2012-12-10 17:35 -0800
                Re: multi-line Strings Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2012-12-11 01:56 +0000
                Re: multi-line Strings markspace <-@.> - 2012-12-10 18:00 -0800
                Re: multi-line Strings Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-12-10 21:16 -0500
                Re: multi-line Strings Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2012-12-11 22:21 +0000
                Re: multi-line Strings BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2012-12-10 22:12 -0600
                Re: multi-line Strings Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2012-12-11 05:01 -0400
                Re: multi-line Strings markspace <-@.> - 2012-12-11 09:46 -0800
                Re: multi-line Strings Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2012-12-11 22:26 +0000
                Re: multi-line Strings BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2012-12-11 16:25 -0600
                Re: multi-line Strings Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-12-10 21:10 -0500
                Re: multi-line Strings Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2012-12-11 22:31 +0000
                Re: multi-line Strings Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-12-14 22:30 -0500
                Re: multi-line Strings BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2012-12-15 03:35 -0600
                Re: multi-line Strings "Chris Uppal" <chris.uppal@metagnostic.REMOVE-THIS.org> - 2012-12-15 11:54 +0000
                Re: multi-line Strings Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-12-15 08:53 -0500
                Re: multi-line Strings Jim Janney <jjanney@shell.xmission.com> - 2012-12-16 12:19 -0700
                Re: multi-line Strings "Chris Uppal" <chris.uppal@metagnostic.REMOVE-THIS.org> - 2012-12-18 13:24 +0000
                Re: multi-line Strings Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2012-12-16 17:21 -0800
                Re: multi-line Strings "Chris Uppal" <chris.uppal@metagnostic.REMOVE-THIS.org> - 2012-12-18 14:03 +0000
                Re: multi-line Strings Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2012-12-18 09:05 -0800
                Re: multi-line Strings Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2012-12-17 20:13 -0400
                Re: multi-line Strings "Chris Uppal" <chris.uppal@metagnostic.REMOVE-THIS.org> - 2012-12-18 13:38 +0000
                Re: multi-line Strings Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2012-12-19 19:48 -0400
                Re: multi-line Strings Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-12-18 21:07 -0500
                Re: multi-line Strings BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2012-12-19 08:26 -0600
                Re: multi-line Strings Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-12-19 16:36 -0500
                Re: multi-line Strings BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2012-12-21 12:51 -0600
                Re: multi-line Strings BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2012-12-21 14:05 -0600
                Re: multi-line Strings "Peter J. Holzer" <hjp-usenet2@hjp.at> - 2012-12-15 18:22 +0100
                Re: multi-line Strings Robert Klemme <shortcutter@googlemail.com> - 2012-12-16 00:34 +0100
                Re: multi-line Strings BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2012-12-16 02:56 -0600
                Re: multi-line Strings Robert Klemme <shortcutter@googlemail.com> - 2012-12-16 14:07 +0100
                Re: multi-line Strings BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2012-12-16 13:44 -0600
                Re: multi-line Strings "Peter J. Holzer" <hjp-usenet2@hjp.at> - 2012-12-16 17:43 +0100
                Re: multi-line Strings Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-12-19 19:37 -0500
                Re: multi-line Strings BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2012-12-10 22:03 -0600
                Re: multi-line Strings Joshua Cranmer <Pidgeot18@verizon.invalid> - 2012-12-11 10:43 -0600
                Re: multi-line Strings Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2012-12-11 22:44 +0000
                Re: multi-line Strings Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-12-10 21:09 -0500
      Re: multi-line Strings Sebastian <sebastian@undisclosed.invalid> - 2012-12-12 10:40 +0100
        Re: multi-line Strings Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-12-12 20:28 -0500
    Re: multi-line Strings BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2012-12-10 13:42 -0600
  Re: multi-line Strings "William Bonawentura" <nie@ma.mnie.pl> - 2012-12-11 07:58 +0100
    Re: multi-line Strings Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-12-11 10:08 -0500
      Re: multi-line Strings Leif Roar Moldskred <leifm@dimnakorr.com> - 2012-12-11 09:41 -0600
      Re: multi-line Strings BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2012-12-11 15:02 -0600
        Re: multi-line Strings Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-12-14 22:27 -0500
        Re: multi-line Strings Joshua Cranmer <Pidgeot18@verizon.invalid> - 2012-12-14 23:23 -0600
          Re: multi-line Strings BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2012-12-15 02:56 -0600
    Re: multi-line Strings Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> - 2012-12-11 16:31 -0500
      Re: multi-line Strings BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2012-12-11 17:07 -0600
        Re: multi-line Strings Peter Duniho <NpOeStPeAdM@NnOwSlPiAnMk.com> - 2012-12-11 15:31 -0800
          Re: multi-line Strings BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2012-12-11 19:41 -0600
      Re: multi-line Strings "William Bonawentura" <nie@ma.mnie.pl> - 2012-12-13 07:43 +0100
        Re: multi-line Strings Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-12-12 23:09 -0800
        Re: multi-line Strings Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2012-12-13 06:34 -0400
          Re: multi-line Strings "William Bonawentura" <nie@ma.mnie.pl> - 2012-12-14 07:35 +0100
            Re: multi-line Strings Leif Roar Moldskred <leifm@dimnakorr.com> - 2012-12-14 02:44 -0600
              Re: multi-line Strings "William Bonawentura" <nie@ma.mnie.pl> - 2012-12-14 11:48 +0100
                Re: multi-line Strings Leif Roar Moldskred <leifm@dimnakorr.com> - 2012-12-14 05:10 -0600
                Re: multi-line Strings Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-12-14 15:18 -0800
                Re: multi-line Strings Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-12-14 22:16 -0500
            Re: multi-line Strings Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2012-12-14 05:55 -0400
              Re: multi-line Strings "William Bonawentura" <nie@ma.mnie.pl> - 2012-12-14 11:50 +0100
                Re: multi-line Strings Leif Roar Moldskred <leifm@dimnakorr.com> - 2012-12-14 05:12 -0600
                Re: multi-line Strings Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net> - 2012-12-14 11:24 -0800
                Re: multi-line Strings markspace <-@.> - 2012-12-14 11:47 -0800
                Re: multi-line Strings Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2012-12-14 12:26 -0800
                Re: multi-line Strings markspace <-@.> - 2012-12-14 12:53 -0800
                Re: multi-line Strings Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-12-14 22:36 -0500
                Re: multi-line Strings "Chris Uppal" <chris.uppal@metagnostic.REMOVE-THIS.org> - 2012-12-15 12:06 +0000
                Re: multi-line Strings Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-12-19 19:23 -0500
                Re: multi-line Strings Leif Roar Moldskred <leifm@dimnakorr.com> - 2012-12-15 08:16 -0600
                Re: multi-line Strings Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-12-19 19:24 -0500
                Re: multi-line Strings Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-12-15 13:36 -0800
                Re: multi-line Strings Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2012-12-16 17:36 -0800
                Re: multi-line Strings Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2012-12-14 12:30 -0800
                Re: multi-line Strings Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-12-14 22:43 -0500
                Re: multi-line Strings Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> - 2012-12-14 17:36 -0500
                Re: multi-line Strings Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-12-14 22:46 -0500
                Re: multi-line Strings BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2012-12-16 04:29 -0600
                Re: multi-line Strings Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2012-12-17 20:45 -0400
                Re: multi-line Strings Peter Duniho <NpOeStPeAdM@NnOwSlPiAnMk.com> - 2012-12-17 17:11 -0800
                Re: multi-line Strings Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> - 2012-12-17 20:25 -0500
                Re: multi-line Strings Peter Duniho <NpOeStPeAdM@NnOwSlPiAnMk.com> - 2012-12-17 18:13 -0800
                Re: multi-line Strings Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2012-12-18 06:34 -0400
                Re: multi-line Strings Peter Duniho <NpOeStPeAdM@NnOwSlPiAnMk.com> - 2012-12-18 10:54 -0800
                Re: multi-line Strings Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2012-12-18 18:57 -0400
                Re: multi-line Strings Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> - 2012-12-18 20:02 -0500
                Re: multi-line Strings Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-12-18 17:13 -0800
                Re: multi-line Strings Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-12-19 19:35 -0500
                Re: multi-line Strings Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2012-12-18 15:12 -0800
                Re: multi-line Strings Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2012-12-19 10:00 -0800
                Re: multi-line Strings Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-12-19 19:31 -0500
                Re: multi-line Strings Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-12-19 19:29 -0500
                Re: multi-line Strings Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2012-12-19 20:44 -0400
                Re: multi-line Strings Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-12-19 21:50 -0500
                Re: multi-line Strings Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-12-19 23:15 -0800
                Re: multi-line Strings Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2012-12-20 06:00 -0400
                Re: multi-line Strings Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2012-12-20 08:56 -0800
                Re: multi-line Strings Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-12-19 19:33 -0500
                Re: multi-line Strings Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-12-17 21:43 -0500
                Re: multi-line Strings Leif Roar Moldskred <leifm@dimnakorr.com> - 2012-12-17 22:09 -0600
                Re: multi-line Strings Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-12-18 20:59 -0500
                Re: multi-line Strings "Chris Uppal" <chris.uppal@metagnostic.REMOVE-THIS.org> - 2012-12-18 13:22 +0000
                Re: multi-line Strings Leif Roar Moldskred <leifm@dimnakorr.com> - 2012-12-18 07:52 -0600
                Re: multi-line Strings Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-12-18 20:58 -0500
                Re: multi-line Strings Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2012-12-18 09:10 -0800
                Re: multi-line Strings Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-12-18 20:56 -0500
                Re: multi-line Strings Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2012-12-18 19:05 -0400
                Re: multi-line Strings Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-12-18 20:42 -0500
                Re: multi-line Strings Jim Janney <jjanney@shell.xmission.com> - 2012-12-17 22:18 -0700
                Re: multi-line Strings Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-12-17 21:46 -0500
                Re: multi-line Strings Peter Duniho <NpOeStPeAdM@NnOwSlPiAnMk.com> - 2012-12-17 21:01 -0800
                Re: multi-line Strings Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-12-18 20:46 -0500
                Re: multi-line Strings Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-12-17 21:51 -0500
                Re: multi-line Strings Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-12-17 19:41 -0800
                Re: multi-line Strings Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2012-12-18 19:19 -0400
                Re: multi-line Strings Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-12-18 20:50 -0500
                Re: multi-line Strings Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2012-12-19 05:23 -0400
                Re: multi-line Strings Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-12-19 13:25 -0800
            Re: multi-line Strings Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-12-14 22:14 -0500
            Re: multi-line Strings Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-12-14 22:14 -0500
          Re: multi-line Strings Jukka Lahtinen <jtfjdehf@hotmail.com.invalid> - 2012-12-14 23:43 +0200
            Re: multi-line Strings Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-12-14 22:20 -0500
              Re: multi-line Strings Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2012-12-17 20:47 -0400
  Re: multi-line Strings Jim Janney <jjanney@shell.xmission.com> - 2012-12-12 08:33 -0700
    Re: multi-line Strings Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-12-12 11:32 -0800
      Re: multi-line Strings markspace <-@.> - 2012-12-12 11:45 -0800
  Re: multi-line Strings Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-12-15 13:33 -0800
    Re: multi-line Strings Sven Köhler <remove-sven.koehler@gmail.com> - 2012-12-29 18:18 +0100

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