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Re: multi-line Strings

From	Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.java.programmer
Subject	Re: multi-line Strings
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Date	2012-12-19 19:48 -0400

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On 12/18/2012 09:38 AM, Chris Uppal wrote:
> Arved Sandstrom wrote:
>
>> No offense, Chris,
>
> None taken
>
>> but personally I find your syntax about as hard to
>> follow as the JPA Criteria API. Which latter I refuse to use, even
>> though I seriously dislike silent JPA provider failures when a JPQL
>> string is wrong.
>
> I think the point that I was trying to get across is not about a "better
> syntax" for regular expressions, but about moving that kind of logic out of
> syntax altogether and into programmer-domian objects and code.
>
> So -- for me -- I don't /care/ whether it is less readable than the traditional
> ex/awk/sed-style regexp syntax.  Naturally, I'd prefer the code to be
> reasonably readable, and I'll certaily concede that the example code I came up
> with is none too expressive.  But I'm willing to put up with that given the
> limitations of Java.
>
> (Though maybe the sort of approach to designing DSLs in terms of "plain Java"
> shown in jMock, in particular the paper:
>       Evolving an Embedded Domain-Specific Language in Java
>      Steve Freeman, Nat Pryce
>      http://jmock.org/articles.html
> could be adapted to improve the feel of the objects-only approach that I'm
> advocating.  Hmm...)

As far as syntax goes, things that work for me are Linq (most any 
flavour) or Scala Squeryl. Nothing's perfect, but Linq for XML or 
Squeryl achieve a nice mix of readability, conciseness and safety. 
That's just me - I know folks that can't wrap their heads around 
syntaxes like that.

I'll be honest - I have little interest in trying to improve Java along 
these lines anymore. I like Java for GP programming, but for certain 
things I'll solve the problem in another JVM language and call that code 
from Java.

>> I think verbose is *bad*. Anything that adds to it is bad. My opinion,
>> others may certainly (vociferously) disagree. OO can already suffer from
>> fragmentation, where logic that solves an immediate problem is found in
>> many different spots; that problem is exacerbated when any given chunk
>> of code is appreciably larger than it needs to be because of extra
>> verbosity. Java is already bad enough in this regard - let's not make it
>> worse.
>
> Largely agreed.   (Actually agreed entirely with the exception of the
> "fragmentation" thing.)

Well, that's an entire other debate, fragmentation caused by OOP. :-)

>> Regular expressions are *not* Java, and IMHO they are about as readable
>
> My contrasting view is that regular language grammars and parsers can be
> expressed directly in object language, which gives all sorts of advantages.  So
> they /ought/ to be Java (but in the current state of affairs) are not.
>
> Oh well...
>
>      -- chirs
>
>
AHS

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multi-line Strings bob smith <bob@coolfone.comze.com> - 2012-12-10 08:22 -0800
  Re: multi-line Strings Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-12-10 11:43 -0500
    Re: multi-line Strings Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net> - 2012-12-10 09:36 -0800
    Re: multi-line Strings markspace <-@.> - 2012-12-10 09:42 -0800
      Re: multi-line Strings Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net> - 2012-12-10 09:51 -0800
        Re: multi-line Strings markspace <-@.> - 2012-12-10 10:27 -0800
          Re: multi-line Strings Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> - 2012-12-10 13:43 -0500
            Re: multi-line Strings Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-12-10 15:08 -0500
              Re: multi-line Strings markspace <-@.> - 2012-12-10 13:05 -0800
              Re: multi-line Strings Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> - 2012-12-10 16:22 -0500
                Re: multi-line Strings markspace <-@.> - 2012-12-10 13:36 -0800
                Re: multi-line Strings Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-12-10 16:52 -0500
                Re: multi-line Strings Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> - 2012-12-10 18:04 -0500
                Re: multi-line Strings Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2012-12-11 00:17 +0000
                Re: multi-line Strings markspace <-@.> - 2012-12-10 17:35 -0800
                Re: multi-line Strings Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2012-12-11 01:56 +0000
                Re: multi-line Strings markspace <-@.> - 2012-12-10 18:00 -0800
                Re: multi-line Strings Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-12-10 21:16 -0500
                Re: multi-line Strings Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2012-12-11 22:21 +0000
                Re: multi-line Strings BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2012-12-10 22:12 -0600
                Re: multi-line Strings Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2012-12-11 05:01 -0400
                Re: multi-line Strings markspace <-@.> - 2012-12-11 09:46 -0800
                Re: multi-line Strings Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2012-12-11 22:26 +0000
                Re: multi-line Strings BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2012-12-11 16:25 -0600
                Re: multi-line Strings Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-12-10 21:10 -0500
                Re: multi-line Strings Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2012-12-11 22:31 +0000
                Re: multi-line Strings Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-12-14 22:30 -0500
                Re: multi-line Strings BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2012-12-15 03:35 -0600
                Re: multi-line Strings "Chris Uppal" <chris.uppal@metagnostic.REMOVE-THIS.org> - 2012-12-15 11:54 +0000
                Re: multi-line Strings Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-12-15 08:53 -0500
                Re: multi-line Strings Jim Janney <jjanney@shell.xmission.com> - 2012-12-16 12:19 -0700
                Re: multi-line Strings "Chris Uppal" <chris.uppal@metagnostic.REMOVE-THIS.org> - 2012-12-18 13:24 +0000
                Re: multi-line Strings Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2012-12-16 17:21 -0800
                Re: multi-line Strings "Chris Uppal" <chris.uppal@metagnostic.REMOVE-THIS.org> - 2012-12-18 14:03 +0000
                Re: multi-line Strings Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2012-12-18 09:05 -0800
                Re: multi-line Strings Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2012-12-17 20:13 -0400
                Re: multi-line Strings "Chris Uppal" <chris.uppal@metagnostic.REMOVE-THIS.org> - 2012-12-18 13:38 +0000
                Re: multi-line Strings Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2012-12-19 19:48 -0400
                Re: multi-line Strings Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-12-18 21:07 -0500
                Re: multi-line Strings BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2012-12-19 08:26 -0600
                Re: multi-line Strings Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-12-19 16:36 -0500
                Re: multi-line Strings BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2012-12-21 12:51 -0600
                Re: multi-line Strings BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2012-12-21 14:05 -0600
                Re: multi-line Strings "Peter J. Holzer" <hjp-usenet2@hjp.at> - 2012-12-15 18:22 +0100
                Re: multi-line Strings Robert Klemme <shortcutter@googlemail.com> - 2012-12-16 00:34 +0100
                Re: multi-line Strings BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2012-12-16 02:56 -0600
                Re: multi-line Strings Robert Klemme <shortcutter@googlemail.com> - 2012-12-16 14:07 +0100
                Re: multi-line Strings BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2012-12-16 13:44 -0600
                Re: multi-line Strings "Peter J. Holzer" <hjp-usenet2@hjp.at> - 2012-12-16 17:43 +0100
                Re: multi-line Strings Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-12-19 19:37 -0500
                Re: multi-line Strings BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2012-12-10 22:03 -0600
                Re: multi-line Strings Joshua Cranmer <Pidgeot18@verizon.invalid> - 2012-12-11 10:43 -0600
                Re: multi-line Strings Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2012-12-11 22:44 +0000
                Re: multi-line Strings Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-12-10 21:09 -0500
      Re: multi-line Strings Sebastian <sebastian@undisclosed.invalid> - 2012-12-12 10:40 +0100
        Re: multi-line Strings Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-12-12 20:28 -0500
    Re: multi-line Strings BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2012-12-10 13:42 -0600
  Re: multi-line Strings "William Bonawentura" <nie@ma.mnie.pl> - 2012-12-11 07:58 +0100
    Re: multi-line Strings Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-12-11 10:08 -0500
      Re: multi-line Strings Leif Roar Moldskred <leifm@dimnakorr.com> - 2012-12-11 09:41 -0600
      Re: multi-line Strings BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2012-12-11 15:02 -0600
        Re: multi-line Strings Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-12-14 22:27 -0500
        Re: multi-line Strings Joshua Cranmer <Pidgeot18@verizon.invalid> - 2012-12-14 23:23 -0600
          Re: multi-line Strings BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2012-12-15 02:56 -0600
    Re: multi-line Strings Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> - 2012-12-11 16:31 -0500
      Re: multi-line Strings BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2012-12-11 17:07 -0600
        Re: multi-line Strings Peter Duniho <NpOeStPeAdM@NnOwSlPiAnMk.com> - 2012-12-11 15:31 -0800
          Re: multi-line Strings BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2012-12-11 19:41 -0600
      Re: multi-line Strings "William Bonawentura" <nie@ma.mnie.pl> - 2012-12-13 07:43 +0100
        Re: multi-line Strings Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-12-12 23:09 -0800
        Re: multi-line Strings Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2012-12-13 06:34 -0400
          Re: multi-line Strings "William Bonawentura" <nie@ma.mnie.pl> - 2012-12-14 07:35 +0100
            Re: multi-line Strings Leif Roar Moldskred <leifm@dimnakorr.com> - 2012-12-14 02:44 -0600
              Re: multi-line Strings "William Bonawentura" <nie@ma.mnie.pl> - 2012-12-14 11:48 +0100
                Re: multi-line Strings Leif Roar Moldskred <leifm@dimnakorr.com> - 2012-12-14 05:10 -0600
                Re: multi-line Strings Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-12-14 15:18 -0800
                Re: multi-line Strings Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-12-14 22:16 -0500
            Re: multi-line Strings Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2012-12-14 05:55 -0400
              Re: multi-line Strings "William Bonawentura" <nie@ma.mnie.pl> - 2012-12-14 11:50 +0100
                Re: multi-line Strings Leif Roar Moldskred <leifm@dimnakorr.com> - 2012-12-14 05:12 -0600
                Re: multi-line Strings Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net> - 2012-12-14 11:24 -0800
                Re: multi-line Strings markspace <-@.> - 2012-12-14 11:47 -0800
                Re: multi-line Strings Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2012-12-14 12:26 -0800
                Re: multi-line Strings markspace <-@.> - 2012-12-14 12:53 -0800
                Re: multi-line Strings Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-12-14 22:36 -0500
                Re: multi-line Strings "Chris Uppal" <chris.uppal@metagnostic.REMOVE-THIS.org> - 2012-12-15 12:06 +0000
                Re: multi-line Strings Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-12-19 19:23 -0500
                Re: multi-line Strings Leif Roar Moldskred <leifm@dimnakorr.com> - 2012-12-15 08:16 -0600
                Re: multi-line Strings Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-12-19 19:24 -0500
                Re: multi-line Strings Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-12-15 13:36 -0800
                Re: multi-line Strings Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2012-12-16 17:36 -0800
                Re: multi-line Strings Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2012-12-14 12:30 -0800
                Re: multi-line Strings Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-12-14 22:43 -0500
                Re: multi-line Strings Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> - 2012-12-14 17:36 -0500
                Re: multi-line Strings Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-12-14 22:46 -0500
                Re: multi-line Strings BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2012-12-16 04:29 -0600
                Re: multi-line Strings Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2012-12-17 20:45 -0400
                Re: multi-line Strings Peter Duniho <NpOeStPeAdM@NnOwSlPiAnMk.com> - 2012-12-17 17:11 -0800
                Re: multi-line Strings Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> - 2012-12-17 20:25 -0500
                Re: multi-line Strings Peter Duniho <NpOeStPeAdM@NnOwSlPiAnMk.com> - 2012-12-17 18:13 -0800
                Re: multi-line Strings Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2012-12-18 06:34 -0400
                Re: multi-line Strings Peter Duniho <NpOeStPeAdM@NnOwSlPiAnMk.com> - 2012-12-18 10:54 -0800
                Re: multi-line Strings Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2012-12-18 18:57 -0400
                Re: multi-line Strings Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> - 2012-12-18 20:02 -0500
                Re: multi-line Strings Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-12-18 17:13 -0800
                Re: multi-line Strings Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-12-19 19:35 -0500
                Re: multi-line Strings Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2012-12-18 15:12 -0800
                Re: multi-line Strings Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2012-12-19 10:00 -0800
                Re: multi-line Strings Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-12-19 19:31 -0500
                Re: multi-line Strings Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-12-19 19:29 -0500
                Re: multi-line Strings Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2012-12-19 20:44 -0400
                Re: multi-line Strings Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-12-19 21:50 -0500
                Re: multi-line Strings Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-12-19 23:15 -0800
                Re: multi-line Strings Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2012-12-20 06:00 -0400
                Re: multi-line Strings Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2012-12-20 08:56 -0800
                Re: multi-line Strings Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-12-19 19:33 -0500
                Re: multi-line Strings Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-12-17 21:43 -0500
                Re: multi-line Strings Leif Roar Moldskred <leifm@dimnakorr.com> - 2012-12-17 22:09 -0600
                Re: multi-line Strings Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-12-18 20:59 -0500
                Re: multi-line Strings "Chris Uppal" <chris.uppal@metagnostic.REMOVE-THIS.org> - 2012-12-18 13:22 +0000
                Re: multi-line Strings Leif Roar Moldskred <leifm@dimnakorr.com> - 2012-12-18 07:52 -0600
                Re: multi-line Strings Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-12-18 20:58 -0500
                Re: multi-line Strings Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2012-12-18 09:10 -0800
                Re: multi-line Strings Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-12-18 20:56 -0500
                Re: multi-line Strings Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2012-12-18 19:05 -0400
                Re: multi-line Strings Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-12-18 20:42 -0500
                Re: multi-line Strings Jim Janney <jjanney@shell.xmission.com> - 2012-12-17 22:18 -0700
                Re: multi-line Strings Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-12-17 21:46 -0500
                Re: multi-line Strings Peter Duniho <NpOeStPeAdM@NnOwSlPiAnMk.com> - 2012-12-17 21:01 -0800
                Re: multi-line Strings Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-12-18 20:46 -0500
                Re: multi-line Strings Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-12-17 21:51 -0500
                Re: multi-line Strings Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-12-17 19:41 -0800
                Re: multi-line Strings Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2012-12-18 19:19 -0400
                Re: multi-line Strings Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-12-18 20:50 -0500
                Re: multi-line Strings Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2012-12-19 05:23 -0400
                Re: multi-line Strings Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-12-19 13:25 -0800
            Re: multi-line Strings Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-12-14 22:14 -0500
            Re: multi-line Strings Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-12-14 22:14 -0500
          Re: multi-line Strings Jukka Lahtinen <jtfjdehf@hotmail.com.invalid> - 2012-12-14 23:43 +0200
            Re: multi-line Strings Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-12-14 22:20 -0500
              Re: multi-line Strings Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2012-12-17 20:47 -0400
  Re: multi-line Strings Jim Janney <jjanney@shell.xmission.com> - 2012-12-12 08:33 -0700
    Re: multi-line Strings Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-12-12 11:32 -0800
      Re: multi-line Strings markspace <-@.> - 2012-12-12 11:45 -0800
  Re: multi-line Strings Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-12-15 13:33 -0800
    Re: multi-line Strings Sven Köhler <remove-sven.koehler@gmail.com> - 2012-12-29 18:18 +0100

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