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| From | BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | comp.lang.java.programmer |
| Subject | Re: multi-line Strings |
| Date | 2012-12-15 02:56 -0600 |
| Organization | albasani.net |
| Message-ID | <kahe48$5vk$1@news.albasani.net> (permalink) |
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On 12/14/2012 11:23 PM, Joshua Cranmer wrote: > On 12/11/2012 3:02 PM, BGB wrote: >> if the bulk of the string literals are things internal to the program >> (rather than intended for an end user), then it makes little sense to >> move them to external resources (IME, most string literals tend to be >> program internal anyways, with human-readable messages few and far >> between, and most of these in-turn being internal debugging messages). > > You must not work with large user-facing applications then. :-) My > practice is very nearly the opposite--most string literals are either > involved with debugging to log files, keys to preferences/other > configuration, or keys to human readable messages. The latter two > classes are things that tend to be grouped outside of the program itself > for simple reasons of reducing management complexity (Clang even uses an > external file for its command line arguments, kind of [1], despite not > doing any localization of strings). > I am mostly working on 3D stuff... (mostly a game, but also some 3D tools, ...). its "user facing" side is mostly the 3D renderer, sound mixing, and user-input handling (mouse, keyboard actions, keyboard shortcuts, ...). text isn't really a big part of the normal experience, nor much information presented as natural-language text (there is a fair amount more in terms of variables and formatted numerical output, but this isn't really the same). most of the code in the project, however, is internal infrastructural code, most not really having much direct user interaction. basically, it is a project which is slightly over 1 Mloc (1 million lines of code). a few of the bigger chunks here are mostly stuff related to my scripting language, and also the 3D renderer. together, they make up a large percentage of the total codebase, followed roughly by the "server end" in 3rd place (the server-end is what holds most of the "gameplay logic", like physics code, weapons and items logic, enemy-AI logic / behaviors, and so on...). currently, there is very little in terms of a GUI (traditional GUI elements are almost completely absent from the program). there is an interactive console though, which mostly functions in a manner vaguely similar to the Linux shell interface though (type commands, see results). typically, commands are terse names, and don't usually generate much printed output. these commands are implemented in-program, and operate in terms of a program-local virtual-filesystem. where relevant, commands have similar names and behaviors to their Linux analogues (cd, ls, cat, pwd, ...). (there is little obvious reason though why anyone would want to change these though, like 'cd' or 'ls' should probably be fairly universal independent of language?...). there is an in-program text-editor though, which provides an interface partway between MS-Edit and Vim (cosmetically, it looks a little more like MS-Edit, but handles user input in many ways a little more like Vim, with ALT-';' switching to the command-entry prompt, ...). some parts of the engine are controlled by "cvars" though, which function in a manner vaguely similar to environment variables. or, IOW, there is lots of stuff going on, and lots of stuff for the user to interact with, just relatively little where textual feedback is really called for (at least much beyond debug messages). (and, presumably, normal users/players shouldn't normally be messing around in the console anyways, apart from maybe to enter cheat-codes). >> with user-readable strings, the program could still be developed under a >> policy like "if you need the messages in a language you can read, either >> learn English (or Japanese or Chinese or similar) or get a dictionary", >> so making them external may not make much sense in this case. > > Even if you don't need to provide translated messages, there is benefit > to centralizing program messages in external files. Ensuring consistency > is one key benefit that I can think of. > could be, but it doesn't really tend to be a big use case. most of what is printed, is usually an indication of where the message is being printed from (function/method names and similar), and a terse description of the event, and usually a few items giving the values of relevant arguments or variables. given most of this isn't really intended for end users, it doesn't really make much sense for translation. granted, a person could translate any voice-acted dialogue, which would probably be a bigger use-case for translation I think, but at the moment, there isn't a whole lot of this either (that is actually relevant to gameplay). >> even with language-specific strings, unless using magic numbers, a >> string may still be needed to refer to them. > > And a constant String is often used instead of copy-pasting the literal > around. > > [1] The "kind of" is that this is turned into compiled code by a build > step. > could be, depends on whether the literal is one-off, or used more than once...
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Re: multi-line Strings Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2012-12-11 22:21 +0000
Re: multi-line Strings BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2012-12-10 22:12 -0600
Re: multi-line Strings Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2012-12-11 05:01 -0400
Re: multi-line Strings markspace <-@.> - 2012-12-11 09:46 -0800
Re: multi-line Strings Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2012-12-11 22:26 +0000
Re: multi-line Strings BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2012-12-11 16:25 -0600
Re: multi-line Strings Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-12-10 21:10 -0500
Re: multi-line Strings Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2012-12-11 22:31 +0000
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Re: multi-line Strings BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2012-12-15 03:35 -0600
Re: multi-line Strings "Chris Uppal" <chris.uppal@metagnostic.REMOVE-THIS.org> - 2012-12-15 11:54 +0000
Re: multi-line Strings Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-12-15 08:53 -0500
Re: multi-line Strings Jim Janney <jjanney@shell.xmission.com> - 2012-12-16 12:19 -0700
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Re: multi-line Strings Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2012-12-16 17:21 -0800
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Re: multi-line Strings Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2012-12-18 09:05 -0800
Re: multi-line Strings Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2012-12-17 20:13 -0400
Re: multi-line Strings "Chris Uppal" <chris.uppal@metagnostic.REMOVE-THIS.org> - 2012-12-18 13:38 +0000
Re: multi-line Strings Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2012-12-19 19:48 -0400
Re: multi-line Strings Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-12-18 21:07 -0500
Re: multi-line Strings BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2012-12-19 08:26 -0600
Re: multi-line Strings Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-12-19 16:36 -0500
Re: multi-line Strings BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2012-12-21 12:51 -0600
Re: multi-line Strings BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2012-12-21 14:05 -0600
Re: multi-line Strings "Peter J. Holzer" <hjp-usenet2@hjp.at> - 2012-12-15 18:22 +0100
Re: multi-line Strings Robert Klemme <shortcutter@googlemail.com> - 2012-12-16 00:34 +0100
Re: multi-line Strings BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2012-12-16 02:56 -0600
Re: multi-line Strings Robert Klemme <shortcutter@googlemail.com> - 2012-12-16 14:07 +0100
Re: multi-line Strings BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2012-12-16 13:44 -0600
Re: multi-line Strings "Peter J. Holzer" <hjp-usenet2@hjp.at> - 2012-12-16 17:43 +0100
Re: multi-line Strings Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-12-19 19:37 -0500
Re: multi-line Strings BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2012-12-10 22:03 -0600
Re: multi-line Strings Joshua Cranmer <Pidgeot18@verizon.invalid> - 2012-12-11 10:43 -0600
Re: multi-line Strings Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2012-12-11 22:44 +0000
Re: multi-line Strings Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-12-10 21:09 -0500
Re: multi-line Strings Sebastian <sebastian@undisclosed.invalid> - 2012-12-12 10:40 +0100
Re: multi-line Strings Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-12-12 20:28 -0500
Re: multi-line Strings BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2012-12-10 13:42 -0600
Re: multi-line Strings "William Bonawentura" <nie@ma.mnie.pl> - 2012-12-11 07:58 +0100
Re: multi-line Strings Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-12-11 10:08 -0500
Re: multi-line Strings Leif Roar Moldskred <leifm@dimnakorr.com> - 2012-12-11 09:41 -0600
Re: multi-line Strings BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2012-12-11 15:02 -0600
Re: multi-line Strings Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-12-14 22:27 -0500
Re: multi-line Strings Joshua Cranmer <Pidgeot18@verizon.invalid> - 2012-12-14 23:23 -0600
Re: multi-line Strings BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2012-12-15 02:56 -0600
Re: multi-line Strings Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> - 2012-12-11 16:31 -0500
Re: multi-line Strings BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2012-12-11 17:07 -0600
Re: multi-line Strings Peter Duniho <NpOeStPeAdM@NnOwSlPiAnMk.com> - 2012-12-11 15:31 -0800
Re: multi-line Strings BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2012-12-11 19:41 -0600
Re: multi-line Strings "William Bonawentura" <nie@ma.mnie.pl> - 2012-12-13 07:43 +0100
Re: multi-line Strings Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-12-12 23:09 -0800
Re: multi-line Strings Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2012-12-13 06:34 -0400
Re: multi-line Strings "William Bonawentura" <nie@ma.mnie.pl> - 2012-12-14 07:35 +0100
Re: multi-line Strings Leif Roar Moldskred <leifm@dimnakorr.com> - 2012-12-14 02:44 -0600
Re: multi-line Strings "William Bonawentura" <nie@ma.mnie.pl> - 2012-12-14 11:48 +0100
Re: multi-line Strings Leif Roar Moldskred <leifm@dimnakorr.com> - 2012-12-14 05:10 -0600
Re: multi-line Strings Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-12-14 15:18 -0800
Re: multi-line Strings Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-12-14 22:16 -0500
Re: multi-line Strings Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2012-12-14 05:55 -0400
Re: multi-line Strings "William Bonawentura" <nie@ma.mnie.pl> - 2012-12-14 11:50 +0100
Re: multi-line Strings Leif Roar Moldskred <leifm@dimnakorr.com> - 2012-12-14 05:12 -0600
Re: multi-line Strings Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net> - 2012-12-14 11:24 -0800
Re: multi-line Strings markspace <-@.> - 2012-12-14 11:47 -0800
Re: multi-line Strings Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2012-12-14 12:26 -0800
Re: multi-line Strings markspace <-@.> - 2012-12-14 12:53 -0800
Re: multi-line Strings Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-12-14 22:36 -0500
Re: multi-line Strings "Chris Uppal" <chris.uppal@metagnostic.REMOVE-THIS.org> - 2012-12-15 12:06 +0000
Re: multi-line Strings Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-12-19 19:23 -0500
Re: multi-line Strings Leif Roar Moldskred <leifm@dimnakorr.com> - 2012-12-15 08:16 -0600
Re: multi-line Strings Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-12-19 19:24 -0500
Re: multi-line Strings Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-12-15 13:36 -0800
Re: multi-line Strings Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2012-12-16 17:36 -0800
Re: multi-line Strings Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2012-12-14 12:30 -0800
Re: multi-line Strings Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-12-14 22:43 -0500
Re: multi-line Strings Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> - 2012-12-14 17:36 -0500
Re: multi-line Strings Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-12-14 22:46 -0500
Re: multi-line Strings BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2012-12-16 04:29 -0600
Re: multi-line Strings Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2012-12-17 20:45 -0400
Re: multi-line Strings Peter Duniho <NpOeStPeAdM@NnOwSlPiAnMk.com> - 2012-12-17 17:11 -0800
Re: multi-line Strings Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> - 2012-12-17 20:25 -0500
Re: multi-line Strings Peter Duniho <NpOeStPeAdM@NnOwSlPiAnMk.com> - 2012-12-17 18:13 -0800
Re: multi-line Strings Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2012-12-18 06:34 -0400
Re: multi-line Strings Peter Duniho <NpOeStPeAdM@NnOwSlPiAnMk.com> - 2012-12-18 10:54 -0800
Re: multi-line Strings Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2012-12-18 18:57 -0400
Re: multi-line Strings Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> - 2012-12-18 20:02 -0500
Re: multi-line Strings Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-12-18 17:13 -0800
Re: multi-line Strings Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-12-19 19:35 -0500
Re: multi-line Strings Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2012-12-18 15:12 -0800
Re: multi-line Strings Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2012-12-19 10:00 -0800
Re: multi-line Strings Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-12-19 19:31 -0500
Re: multi-line Strings Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-12-19 19:29 -0500
Re: multi-line Strings Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2012-12-19 20:44 -0400
Re: multi-line Strings Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-12-19 21:50 -0500
Re: multi-line Strings Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-12-19 23:15 -0800
Re: multi-line Strings Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2012-12-20 06:00 -0400
Re: multi-line Strings Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2012-12-20 08:56 -0800
Re: multi-line Strings Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-12-19 19:33 -0500
Re: multi-line Strings Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-12-17 21:43 -0500
Re: multi-line Strings Leif Roar Moldskred <leifm@dimnakorr.com> - 2012-12-17 22:09 -0600
Re: multi-line Strings Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-12-18 20:59 -0500
Re: multi-line Strings "Chris Uppal" <chris.uppal@metagnostic.REMOVE-THIS.org> - 2012-12-18 13:22 +0000
Re: multi-line Strings Leif Roar Moldskred <leifm@dimnakorr.com> - 2012-12-18 07:52 -0600
Re: multi-line Strings Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-12-18 20:58 -0500
Re: multi-line Strings Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2012-12-18 09:10 -0800
Re: multi-line Strings Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-12-18 20:56 -0500
Re: multi-line Strings Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2012-12-18 19:05 -0400
Re: multi-line Strings Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-12-18 20:42 -0500
Re: multi-line Strings Jim Janney <jjanney@shell.xmission.com> - 2012-12-17 22:18 -0700
Re: multi-line Strings Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-12-17 21:46 -0500
Re: multi-line Strings Peter Duniho <NpOeStPeAdM@NnOwSlPiAnMk.com> - 2012-12-17 21:01 -0800
Re: multi-line Strings Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-12-18 20:46 -0500
Re: multi-line Strings Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-12-17 21:51 -0500
Re: multi-line Strings Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-12-17 19:41 -0800
Re: multi-line Strings Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2012-12-18 19:19 -0400
Re: multi-line Strings Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-12-18 20:50 -0500
Re: multi-line Strings Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2012-12-19 05:23 -0400
Re: multi-line Strings Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-12-19 13:25 -0800
Re: multi-line Strings Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-12-14 22:14 -0500
Re: multi-line Strings Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-12-14 22:14 -0500
Re: multi-line Strings Jukka Lahtinen <jtfjdehf@hotmail.com.invalid> - 2012-12-14 23:43 +0200
Re: multi-line Strings Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-12-14 22:20 -0500
Re: multi-line Strings Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2012-12-17 20:47 -0400
Re: multi-line Strings Jim Janney <jjanney@shell.xmission.com> - 2012-12-12 08:33 -0700
Re: multi-line Strings Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-12-12 11:32 -0800
Re: multi-line Strings markspace <-@.> - 2012-12-12 11:45 -0800
Re: multi-line Strings Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-12-15 13:33 -0800
Re: multi-line Strings Sven Köhler <remove-sven.koehler@gmail.com> - 2012-12-29 18:18 +0100
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