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Re: Two More Very General Consulting Question

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Tom Anderson <twic@urchin.earth.li> wrote:
> On Fri, 9 Dec 2011, Andreas Leitgeb wrote:
>> I can imagine managers to be more afraid of longer sync-intervals, 
>> resulting from the DVCS-philosophy, than of not seeing all devels' 
>> interims work.
> The DVCS philosophy does not result in longer intervals between sharing 
> work with your colleagues (what i assume you mean by "sync-intervals").

If all changes committed to local "clone" get automaticall sync'ed
to some master repository, then there's little change from status quo.

If not, then obviously the interval between syncs is longer than that 
between commits.

> Both centralised and distributed VCS makes it easy to share work with your 
> colleagues.

I haven't yet *worked* with git/hg/...
I've however used a dvcs to retrieve the source of some open-source
project that I wanted a newer version of than packaged with my OS
distribution and I've skimmed over a couple of howto's telling how
to use the new DVCS, often with guides for CVS'lers about the replace-
ments for each of their previous typical command lines.
Guess what: the new commands were constantly more complicated.
Instead of typing one command to see the locally modified files, and
available changes from the repo for the current subtree of the project,
one has to sync first, then issue one command for this and another for
that and yet another...

If some external person were to talk me into this, I might also
tell them that I'd change to TFS, just to make *him* stfu on this.

You won't get anyone off CVS who hasn't yet fallen victim to CVS's
limitations, and less have, than you might think.

Maybe it's like you won't get a Joe Doe user off Windows, unless he's
just lost a week of work to viruses... And strangely enough, some haven't.

> I have come across this belief before. I honestly don't know where people 
> get it from.

Typically, they read it between the lines of what dvcs-advocates write.

> No, as i explained, DVCS has benefits even in a conventionally-organised 
> team.

I've read some (in this thread, and before), but didn't so far 
find any that I'd buy as relevant for my projects at work. Arved(?)'s
remarks (about clients refusing dvcs) seemed to me, as if his clients
happened to share my version of reality.

>> I do understand this motivation. The "scapegoat" is typically the one 
>> who is in the best position to fix a problem, so identifying him without 
>> having to ask everyone is worth as much time as by what the scapegoat 
>> will be able to fix it more efficiently than anyone else on the project.
> DVCS is capable of recording history just as precisely as ...

Oh, sure, never doubted that.  The comment I answered appeared to 
ridicule management's desire to find "scapegoats" as primary drive
behind (over?)valueing vcs-history. As if they were always just trying
to find someone to sack.

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Two More Very General Consulting Question Novice <novice@example..com> - 2011-11-30 21:00 +0000
  Re: Two More Very General Consulting Question Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2011-11-30 21:45 +0000
    Re: Two More Very General Consulting Question Novice <novice@example..com> - 2011-11-30 23:00 +0000
      Re: Two More Very General Consulting Question Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2011-12-01 03:06 +0000
        Re: Two More Very General Consulting Question Novice <novice@example..com> - 2011-12-06 15:24 +0000
          Re: Two More Very General Consulting Question Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2011-12-06 20:59 +0000
      Re: Two More Very General Consulting Question Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2011-12-07 05:45 -0800
        Re: Two More Very General Consulting Question Tom Anderson <twic@urchin.earth.li> - 2011-12-07 18:58 +0000
          Re: Two More Very General Consulting Question Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2011-12-07 18:57 -0500
            Re: Two More Very General Consulting Question Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom3minus1@eastlink.ca> - 2011-12-07 20:33 -0400
              Re: Two More Very General Consulting Question Tom Anderson <twic@urchin.earth.li> - 2011-12-08 16:04 +0000
                Re: Two More Very General Consulting Question Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom3minus1@eastlink.ca> - 2011-12-09 06:53 -0400
                Re: Two More Very General Consulting Question Andreas Leitgeb <avl@gamma.logic.tuwien.ac.at> - 2011-12-09 12:51 +0000
                Re: Two More Very General Consulting Question Lars Enderin <lars.enderin@telia.com> - 2011-12-09 17:26 +0100
                Re: Two More Very General Consulting Question Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2011-12-09 23:12 +0000
                Re: Two More Very General Consulting Question Andreas Leitgeb <avl@gamma.logic.tuwien.ac.at> - 2011-12-10 12:00 +0000
                Re: Two More Very General Consulting Question Tom Anderson <twic@urchin.earth.li> - 2011-12-10 19:53 +0000
                Re: Two More Very General Consulting Question Andreas Leitgeb <avl@gamma.logic.tuwien.ac.at> - 2011-12-11 00:04 +0000
                Re: Two More Very General Consulting Question Tom Anderson <twic@urchin.earth.li> - 2011-12-10 20:12 +0000
                Re: Two More Very General Consulting Question Jim Janney <jjanney@shell.xmission.com> - 2011-12-12 03:05 -0700
                Re: Two More Very General Consulting Question Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom3minus1@eastlink.ca> - 2011-12-12 06:39 -0400
            Re: Two More Very General Consulting Question Joshua Cranmer <Pidgeot18@verizon.invalid> - 2011-12-07 20:55 -0600
              Re: Two More Very General Consulting Question Andreas Leitgeb <avl@gamma.logic.tuwien.ac.at> - 2011-12-09 10:42 +0000
        Re: Two More Very General Consulting Question Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2011-12-07 18:48 -0500
    Re: Two More Very General Consulting Question Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2011-12-07 05:43 -0800
  Re: Two More Very General Consulting Question Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2011-12-02 20:15 -0500
  Re: Two More Very General Consulting Question Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2011-12-06 16:45 -0800

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