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| From | Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | comp.lang.java.programmer |
| Subject | Re: I need a different approach - suggestions please |
| Date | 2012-06-27 19:12 -0700 |
| Organization | A noiseless patient Spider |
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On Wed, 27 Jun 2012 21:40:48 -0400, Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk>
wrote:
>On 6/27/2012 5:09 PM, Gene Wirchenko wrote:
>> On Wed, 27 Jun 2012 11:42:04 -0700 (PDT), Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> [snip]
>>
>>> You calling the conventions a "religion" neither invalidates nor diminishes
>>> the value of the official conventions.
>>
>> I do not contest the value of the official conventions. I do say
>> that they are not the only conventions that can be used.
>>
>> The official conventions (or any others for that matter) are a
>> religion when they are shoved on people regardless of the situation.
>>
>> Your disdain for different conventions "neither invalidates nor
>> diminishes the value of" different conventions.
>
>I think you have misunderstood the purpose of a coding convention.
>
>It is not about what is the best way to write certain things.
>
>It is about having everybody writing things the same way to
>make it easier to read other peoples code.
>
>That automatically gives the standard convention more points
>than the alternatives.
>
>So unless one has specific knowledge about the OP's context,
>then the only plausible advice is to go for the standard.
Arguments over indenting styles are rife. Why? Because there
really is no one answer. I understand that. I wish more did.
>>> Your pitch for unconventional conventions violates the spirit and purpose
>>> of the conventions, which is to provide a common basis for the community
>>> to communicate their source code.
>>
>> My conventions are intended for me.
>
>So you use the concept invented to make code more readable for other
>for yourself.
>
>Hmmm.
Yes. Since I write useful programs, they are in use for
considerable time periods. I am usually the one who maintains them so
it is in my interest to use conventions that assist me in program
maintenance.
>>> Your overtly anti-social and self-aggrandizing approach is not suitable
>>> for playing nicely with others. Be less snarky about the choice to go with
>>
>> No, *your* overtly anti-social and self-aggrandising approach is
>> not suitable. I gave up on Java, partly because the language making
>> certain things that I need awkward to do and partly because of the
>> snarking.
>>
>> I remember posting one example of code that I was having trouble
>> with. It was short and simple and I detailed what I was having
>> trouble with. One of you Java religion twits responded that I was not
>> using the standard variable-naming convention and did not reply at all
>> to my problem. This sort of abuse happened too many times for me to
>> care much about the Java community or its standards.
>>
>> I follow this newsgroup still because there are some good
>> technical discussions. I hope to never have to code in Java again.
>
>The assumption is that people that post here are interested in learning.
One hopes.
>That includes naming convention.
That does not mean that I will use such a convention. I do not
expect anyone to use mine either. To each his own.
>If they are not, then I don't know why they are here.
It was for programming help on language features, not to be
snarked for not using the coding convention.
>>> the industry standards, please. I know it makes you feel all important and
>>
>> I state that I have my preferences. If you want to use the
>> official conventions, go ahead. I have never snarked anyone for doing
>> so.
>
>Nobody care how you write your code.
Of course you do. If you did not, you would not be posting in
this thread.
>If you want to write the entire class in a single line then do it.
Straw man!
My convention tends to more lines than most. For example,
variable and parameter declarations are almost always one per line.
That makes putting a class all on one line nearly impossible.
>But do not try to tell other that it is an acceptable way to write code.
It is an acceptable way. It is not the only way.
>>> powerful and all, but it doesn't serve those wishing to learn how best to
>>> be *professional* Java programmers.
>>
>> It does nothing of the sort for me.
>
>No. Because you are not interested in learning.
I am interested in learning. I am not interested in being
dictated to.
>Your choice.
Of course. And my exercising it seems to really get you upset.
>But do not try to lead other that route.
No. There is something called freedom of speech. I like having
it.
Sincerely,
Gene Wirchenko
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Re: I need a different approach - suggestions please Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2012-06-27 19:12 -0700
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Re: I need a different approach - suggestions please Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-06-27 18:54 -0700
Re: I need a different approach - suggestions please B1ll G4tes <wm.gat3s@micro5oft.quux> - 2012-06-27 22:23 -0400
Re: I need a different approach - suggestions please Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-06-28 09:55 -0700
Re: I need a different approach - suggestions please bilsch <bilsch01@gmail.com> - 2012-06-28 04:02 -0700
Re: I need a different approach - suggestions please Mike Winter <mlwinter@gmail.com> - 2012-06-28 04:55 -0700
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Re: I need a different approach - suggestions please Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2012-06-28 09:44 -0700
Re: I need a different approach - suggestions please Joshua Cranmer <Pidgeot18@verizon.invalid> - 2012-06-28 12:51 -0400
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Re: I need a different approach - suggestions please Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2012-06-26 03:49 -0700
Re: I need a different approach - suggestions please bilsch <bilsch01@gmail.com> - 2012-06-26 13:59 -0700
Re: I need a different approach - suggestions please Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-06-29 08:12 -0700
Re: I need a different approach - suggestions please Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2012-06-29 10:02 -0700
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